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Originally posted by Spectre0o0
make no mistake about it,new jersey is a fascist state. i have dealt with dyfs before and they need no reason to take your children away.
no court order,no proof,nothing.i just recently escaped from new jersey ,myself. i had to raise my daughter there and the school she went to got us involved with these idiots.
they have no special training or extra education for the "social work" they do.
i had smacked my daughter on the bottom for something that deserved it,and at a conference at school,i told them so. thats when they stepped in. it wasn't anything that could have hurt her,and they knew it.
the CAMDEN branch came to my house and "inspected my child"while i was told to go into another room.
the case file was open until she was 18.
the only way i got them off my back was to call them to ask them how i was supposed to discipline my child when she was bad.
their answer was always the same...i don't know.
got to be they wouldn't answer my calls anymore.
but they got to ride around in state cars,with state cell phones doing what they wanted to do.
i also knew a couple that was getting seperated.the wife thought she was slick and reported her husband for abuse. dyfs came right out ans with no proof,took the children away,and put them into the system.no proof,no court order,just took them.thats what they used to do in germany ...it's called fascism plain and simple. so please dont tell me that new jersey had a reason.until you have proof.
i lived there a long time and i never saw them do ANYTHING constructive in the community.
DYFS IN NJ=DIVISIN OF YOUTH AND FASCIST SERVICES
also,clinton's gun ban was almost word for word translated from the nazi gun control laws. i guess they should have taken chelsea away for that too.
doesn't that make him a pro-nazi parent?
[edit on 14-1-2009 by Spectre0o0]
Rights are one thing but equating the right to name your child something that will ruin his future and teaching Nazi values to a right worth protecting, is carrying it into the silly zone. Arguing for that is just arguing for the sake of arguing and any semblance of common sense has left the building.
Lets make this very clear. Every child has been named after a NAZI. The house is filled with NAZI crap. The Parents are covered in NAZI tattoos.
Next it is child abuse to brainwash your children in to being hate filled monsters.
Originally posted by harvib
reply to post by Blaine91555
Rights are one thing but equating the right to name your child something that will ruin his future and teaching Nazi values to a right worth protecting, is carrying it into the silly zone. Arguing for that is just arguing for the sake of arguing and any semblance of common sense has left the building.
This certainly is a very polarizing issue but I don't think anyone here is arguing for the sake of arguing. I think the debate comes down to who is responsible for raising ones children, the state or the parents. Our nation has a precedence of allowing the parents to raise their own children.
You feel the state should regulate the naming of the child. How about clothing? After all there have been more then a few kids that have had a terrible time growing up simply because of the clothing their parents provided. How involved should the state be in parental affairs?
"Just to be clear, removal of a child from a family is only done when there's an imminent danger to a child and that wouldn't include the child's name alone," spokeswoman Kate Bernyk said. "We wouldn't remove a child based on their name."
Threat over Hitler cake sent to wrong family
Tuesday December 23, 2008, 9:50 AM
Police in Holland Township are investigating a death threat mailed to a family mistaken for residents who named their son Adolf Hitler Campbell.
Melanie Campbell is not related to Heath and Deborah Campbell, who complained when a supermarket refused to spell out their 3-year-old son's name, Adolf Hitler, on a birthday cake.
However, her daughter's name is Heather and was listed in the phone directory under Campbell, H.
The typed, unsigned letter said her children would die and "you will all end up like your Nazi friends: dead."
Originally posted by SUNRAY06
reply to post by questioningall
Lets be real, the name is offensive and will always be so..the parents are fools to think that in so naming an innocent for the evil of the past that they are keeping something of value alive. Yes the parents deserve to have their children taken away for protection from the ignorance and hate that their parents quite obviously espouse. Err on the side of caution..an open and fair hearing..and if community standards are not respected..and hate is being forced on the children then..thats it
Originally posted by Lasheic
For the time being, I have to agree with the decision to remove these children. Any parent stupid enough to name their children like that cannot, in my mind, facilitate a healthy environment for the children to live. That they would not even have the foresight to understand the verbal and physical abuse it will bring them, nor do they care, all for the sake of making a political statement rather than looking out for the best interest of the child.
While I cannot find a moral or legal platform sturdy enough to justify the removal of these children (rather than, say, requiring a name change) - I have little doubt that earlier publication of their names via the birthday cake stories raised more than a few red flags at Child Welfare Services and put the family under watch. The decision to remove the children was likely based on evidence turned up by the investigation. I will reserve final judgment on the matter until further details are available, but from what I've heard thus far, I see no reason to damn the government for pulling innocent children from potentially very abusive situation.
According to a state administrative code: "The designation of a child's name, including the surname, is the right of the child's parents."
It's a right that most parents take seriously, putting so much thought into it that they'll go out of their way to avoid a name that evokes a negative response (such as one that reminds them of the class bully, for example).
Not the Campbells.
"Naming a child 'Adolf Hitler' shows a great irresponsibility on the part of the parents," said John Alpert, a Manhattan psychotherapist. "The motivation seems to be entirely selfish, at the cost of the child's emotional health.
"Kids tease others based on their name, and there's no doubt kids are discriminated against as a result. Many times I've had clients named Dick talk about how they were teased as a kid."
Err on the side of caution..an open and fair hearing..and if community standards are not respected..and hate is being forced on the children then..thats it