Originally posted by Blaine91555
This has been an interesting thread.

I don't think it is out of line considering the name we are discussing, to assume the parents intent or that they themselves are Nazi's. The evidence is so overwhelming as to make it almost laughable to suggest that their intentions were anything other than what is being assumed.

See it's nice to assume, and it might even be true, but so far the parents have said that they are not, and we have no definative proof, I agree the circumstancial evidence is there, but even if they are, you don't have a right to take kids on the premisis of this, unless the laws have changed, and then many families better go running for the hills, cause they will not stop there.

I still go back to the children and the harm they will suffer. Look at the abuse any child who is even slightly different has to endure. You can be sure that young Adolf will endure ten times as much and more. They may as well have named him Hit-me-kick-me Make-me-eat-dirt.

So you can't be different now, because society is narrow minded? He will only endure this is society is stupid. Obama was able to over coming sharing not one, but two names of unliked people, I mean what are the chances of this. On of his name is really close to Osama bin ladin, and then Saddam Hussain, but people were open minded enough to see past this and vote for him.

You can also assume that the parents are Nazi's based on the evidence available. Even in court I think there would be ample circumstantial evidence.

We can assume it, but we can not prove it. He has also said that they are not. They might be, but we don't have proof that they are, and even if they are, you can't take peoples kids on the basis of this. I just read what one guy from the New Black Panther party said about another group of people, and it wasn't nice, but he should not have his kids taken away for his views or the party he is a part of anymore than these people should, unless there is serious abuse happening. Yes teaching hate can be abusive, but then in the news today we have Prince Chales and sons getting slack for calling a friend of his "sooty", refering to the guys skin color.

Prince Charles says he is not racist. Then prince Harry recently refered to middle Eastern person as a Pak* and Rag Heads. Apparently both terms are racist, and the young prince says he is not a racist. So we would investigate and then pass judgement and the same should be true for these people.

Rights are one thing but equating the right to name your child something that will ruin his future and teaching Nazi values to a right worth protecting, is carrying it into the silly zone. Arguing for that is just arguing for the sake of arguing and any semblance of common sense has left the building.

I don't think the child being name Hitler will ruin his future, heck the fame and celebrity might even help him at this stage. Later on I mean. I am saying that in a democratic society, people have the right to have those views, the same way the guy from the black panther is allowed to have his view, wither you agree with it or not.

Arguing it is not for the sake of arguing it, it's for the sake of democracy and all that we hold dear. If they can do it to these people, they will do it to others and that is why it must be challenged and stopped if those are the reasons for taking these kids.

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Originally posted by greeneyedleo

Again, there is zero evidence the kids were taken away due to their names. Not everyone is being led to believe that and those that are, are making assumptions based on paranoia of the government wanting to snatch kids away - just because.

The authorities don't have to come out and tell us anything - after all, at then end of the day it isn't even our business. It is a matter of that family. And more then likely there is some investigation being done.

It is more logical the kids were taken away due to other factors - not being their names. There is just no logic in why family services would take those kids away SOLEY for their names.

[edit on 1/14/2009 by greeneyedleo]

Great I would hope that the state would not take the kids away based on their names, but the parents are saying, they have not been given a reason. That is disturbing and troubling. Then the police are saying that they don't know, that is also disturbing and troubling, someone somewhere must know something, but at this moment in time, all I know is those kids are aware from their parents, they are probably scared, cause they are all really young, and the parents are probably doing what they can to get the kids back, but to be honest they didn't look that well to do, so I don't know what kid of legal defence they can mount at this stage.

The bottom line for me is, before the state takes kids away from parents, they better have a damn good reason, and second that reason needs to be given to the parents.

Police sergeant was assured they were not taken away because of name, birthday cake incident

All I can is what a load of BS that statement is. It's clearly obvious these children were taken away from the parents because they felt that the parents may just be in fact "unstable" if they consider naming their child a former leader of Germany during World War II.

Also, the parents HAD to know naming their kid ADOLF HITLER would get some heat from others......but that doesn't mean they should be treated unfairly.

Both sides are complete morons IMO

I so hope this was politically motivated and wish I were these parents. I would sue the state for every penny I could get. Just because you arrange some letters and call your child that means nothing.

Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck

Originally posted by The All Seeing I...if the name you chose for your child could be taken as a form of child abuse ... then we have quite a few celebrities to lock up.

Gwyneth Paltrow comes to mind... she named her kids Moses and Apple
or Frank Zappa's kids Moon Unit, Dweezil, Ahmet Emuukha Rodan and Diva Thin Muffin Pigeene.

I beg to disagree. It's one thing for a parent to offer up a ridiculous name...Zappa's kids are a fine example. But they are blessed with living with unorthodox parents, and can always assume a nickname. I'm sure Zowie Bowie had occasion to say "Yes, well, my Da's the Thin White Duke." and others would respond "Well, of course, then."

Naming a kid Adolph Hitler is child abuse because it not only fixes a kid up with one of the most despised names in history, but it also adds the foot note: "Oh, by the way, my parents are total White Trash in every sense of the concept." Which makes it even more abusive. Children should not be subject to derision, and if their parents do so...in this singular mannner... they are harming the children and are shouting out that they are not fit to parent them.

Are you living in a fantasy land man? YES YOU ARE. Guess what, no matter what you name your kid they will get picked on, hit, made fun of, called names, physically and mentally beaten and worse in life. The kid could obviously say his name is something else like Al very early in life. Get a clue, nobody needs anyone else telling them what to name their kid. What people DO need is for other people to not be so dumb ass that they start controversy over someones #ing name. If others dont like it tough #. We wouldnt need freedom of speech to protect kind loving speech. Freedom of speech is for a case JUST LIKE THIS! Jeezus Krist.

Last I checked, being a Nazi is not "illegal" nor does it constitute child abuse.

Nor is it illegal to be a member of the Nation of Islam. I don't hear about any of their children being taken away because of a name.

A child can grow up with the name Adolph and be ok. Are the parents a-holes for it? Yes of course. They aren't thinking of the children, they are thinking of their own stupid agenda. But at the end of the day, what right does the government have to take their children away?? They sure don't do a good enough job protecting the real dangers to children. How many stories do you hear of foster children being abused, beaten, murdered? But hell... lets take away a couple of kids because their parents might have different views of the world. Come on...

Originally posted by Erasurehead
There is more to this story that has not come out yet. There must have been some mental or physical abuse going on for the state of NJ to remove the children.

Naming your child Adolf Hitler and not raising him/her in a "Space of Love" is a form of [mental] abuse.

Lets make this very clear. Every child has been named after a NAZI. The house is filled with NAZI crap. The Parents are covered in NAZI tattoos. They are NAZIs. Next it is child abuse to brainwash your children in to being hate filled monsters. It takes away any chance of a future for these children. Both because of the name and of the "education" provided too them by NAZIs. In a job interview, realize the person interviewing them is Jewish, and leaping across the desk too kill them.

Originally posted by GamerGal
Lets make this very clear. Every child has been named after a NAZI. The house is filled with NAZI crap. The Parents are covered in NAZI tattoos. They are NAZIs. Next it is child abuse to brainwash your children in to being hate filled monsters. It takes away any chance of a future for these children. Both because of the name and of the "education" provided too them by NAZIs. In a job interview, realize the person interviewing them is Jewish, and leaping across the desk too kill them.

They claim they're not NAZIs, but even if they are NAZIs it is not against any law in the U.S. Even if they are NAZIs it does not necessarily mean they are teaching their children to kill people. Communists, NAZIs, socialists, they and many others are allowed to be citizens of the U.S as long as they don't break any laws.

So even on ats there is no political tolerance?
These people should not be free to decide for themselves what political affiliation to choose?

I don't care if they are purple fascist fruitarians from the moon if they are U.S. citizens they have the RIGHT to believe as they please!
They have the RIGHT to name the children what ever they please!

If it turns out that the children were taken for no cause; I will petition the aclu to sue the pants off of the state.

This is AMERICA people!We have RIGHTS!

Just because you are different than everyone else does not mean you get less rights!

I think by calling your child Adolf Hitler, you are putting out a statement

what that statement is, is down to personal feelings on the matter

make no mistake about it,new jersey is a fascist state. i have dealt with dyfs before and they need no reason to take your children away.
no court order,no proof,nothing.i just recently escaped from new jersey ,myself. i had to raise my daughter there and the school she went to got us involved with these idiots.
they have no special training or extra education for the "social work" they do.
i had smacked my daughter on the bottom for something that deserved it,and at a conference at school,i told them so. thats when they stepped in. it wasn't anything that could have hurt her,and they knew it.
the CAMDEN branch came to my house and "inspected my child"while i was told to go into another room.
the case file was open until she was 18.
the only way i got them off my back was to call them to ask them how i was supposed to discipline my child when she was bad.
their answer was always the same...i don't know.
got to be they wouldn't answer my calls anymore.
but they got to ride around in state cars,with state cell phones doing what they wanted to do.
i also knew a couple that was getting seperated.the wife thought she was slick and reported her husband for abuse. dyfs came right out ans with no proof,took the children away,and put them into the system.no proof,no court order,just took them.thats what they used to do in germany ...it's called fascism plain and simple. so please dont tell me that new jersey had a reason.until you have proof.
i lived there a long time and i never saw them do ANYTHING constructive in the community.

DYFS IN NJ=DIVISIN OF YOUTH AND FASCIST SERVICES

also,clinton's gun ban was almost word for word translated from the nazi gun control laws. i guess they should have taken chelsea away for that too.
doesn't that make him a pro-nazi parent?



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