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Alien artifacts discovered underneath crop circles

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posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 02:58 AM
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Originally posted by Exuberant1
reply to post by Razimus
 


Do you believe all crop circles are man-made?

Or just some?



Every single crop circle has been man-made, POSSIBLY except the simple one circle ones made by rare natural events, this would explain why there are also ice circles, simple and round, I've yet to see an elaborate ice circle.




posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 03:06 AM
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"Every single crop circle has been man-made,"

Let me guess,

Do you intend to remain on this thread so that you can repeat this message over an over again?

Why even come on this thread if that is what you believe?

Your mind is made up, you've said as much.

What do you intend to accomplish?

[edit on 15-1-2009 by Exuberant1]



posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 03:17 AM
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Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by spacevisitor
 


The stone is a hoax
www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.kornkreise-forschung.de...


As far as I know that is surely not proven yet and this is what said at the bottom of the article on your provided site itself.

www.kornkreise-forschung.de...


In an e-mail-interview with crop circle researcher Andreas Müller about the "Roswell Stone", Ron Branch assured that even if he did create similar works before using his sandblasting method with stone and glass, he only started to create crop circle decorated stones after he learned about the story of the "Roswell Stone", so the original stone discovered in 2004 is not one of his artwork.



Now a comparative analysis between the original "Roswell Stone" and deco-stone created with the method Ron Branch uses may be an appropriate approach in leaning more about the "Roswell Stone's" origin.


Look if you are interested to this interesting Interview from Linda Moulton Howe:


James Constantopoulos, Ph.D., Professor of Geology and Chair of the Physical Sciences Department, Eastern New Mexico University, Portales, New Mexico: “I think the rock's rotation changes relate to selective positioning of the magnet due to irregularities in the shape of the sample.



HAVE YOU SEEN A VARIATION IN CLOCKWISE AND COUNTER-CLOCKWISE ROTATION IN OTHER MAGNETITE ROCKS BASED ONLY ON THE SHAPE OF THE ROCK?

No, because it’s not really something we do. As a geologist, we’re only concerned with questions such as: is it magnetic or not? Is it strongly magnetic and therefore suggestive of magnetite? Or is it weakly magnetic and suggestive of titanium or one of the other iron-bearing minerals?
Also, I wanted to look at the carving itself in detail to look for any evidence of tool marks or mechanical work.



OR EVEN HEATING FROM SOMETHING LIKE A LASER?

Yes, exactly, and the rock did not appear to have been formed by a laser. The rock pattern is too perfect to have been done by hand and the material is too hard. It does not really lend itself well to hand working. But I could see someone with machining experience could possibly produce a pattern like this.



BUT YOU DID NOT FIND ANY EVIDENCE OF HOW IT WAS MADE?
No, no, I did not.



WHAT WAS YOUR OVERALL IMPRESSION OF A PATTERN LIKE THIS IN THE IRON-RICH ROCK?

Very unusual. Obviously, the pattern itself is intriguing because it’s a duplication of that 1996 crop formation. Iron-rich sandstone is not very easily worked material. There are hundreds of other natural materials that would be more easily worked than this particular material.



IN YOUR PROFESSIONAL CAREER AS A GEOLOGIST AND NOW CHAIR OF THE PHYSICAL SCIENCES DEPARTMENT AT EASTERN NEW MEXICO UNIVERSITY, HAVE YOU EVER SEEN AN IRON-RICH ROCK SIMILAR TO THIS ONE IN WHICH ANY CARVING HAD BEEN DONE IN THIS 3-DIMENSIONAL RAISE FROM THE ROCK'S SURFACE?

No, I haven’t. And as I mentioned the other day when we visited, there is lots of alabaster in that part of New Mexico out on the flats closer to the Pecos River. So, if someone was going to look for a rock to carve, alabaster would be the logical choice.



AS BOTH A SCIENTIST AND A HUMAN HANDLING THE ROCK AND WORKING WITH IT IN YOUR LAB, WHAT RESIDUE IS LEFT IN YOUR MIND?

One of mystery, I guess. It's a normal rock, but the pattern is remarkable. Obviously, it is something that took a lot of care and knowledge to produce because this hard, iron-rich sandstone with magnetite is not easily worked.
hundreds of other natural materials that would be more easily worked than this particular material.



IN YOUR PROFESSIONAL CAREER AS A GEOLOGIST AND NOW CHAIR OF THE PHYSICAL SCIENCES DEPARTMENT AT EASTERN NEW MEXICO UNIVERSITY, HAVE YOU EVER SEEN AN IRON-RICH ROCK SIMILAR TO THIS ONE IN WHICH ANY CARVING HAD BEEN DONE IN THIS 3-DIMENSIONAL RAISE FROM THE ROCK'S SURFACE?

No, I haven’t. And as I mentioned the other day when we visited, there is lots of alabaster in that part of New Mexico out on the flats closer to the Pecos River. So, if someone was going to look for a rock to carve, alabaster would be the logical choice.


www.earthfiles.com...



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posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 03:21 AM
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Originally posted by ohh_pleasee
I personally think crop circles are legitimate messages that are so simple if we were given the meaning on paper in plain English we would be like 'OH DUH!! Why didn't I see that?!'


I think if we were given the meaning in plain English, we would be like... HOAX!


This is very interesting. If these artifacts were put there by humans, someone lost a lot of money to do it.

And why on Earth would anyone melt it down?
The only answer that comes to my mind is someone (with cash) knew what they were, and wanted it destroyed.



posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 03:28 AM
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"This is very interesting. If these artifacts were put there by humans, someone lost a lot of money to do it. "

Crop circles are not a modern phenomenon - they are likely as old as farming itself.

We are assuming that these discs were placed in the field by Modern Man - when it fact, we do not no when they were placed.

Nor can we date the discs themselves, as them have been melted down...

*This reminds of the farmer who was paid a hefty sum to remove the contents of his crop circle. There must have been a message in it that someone didn't want to become known.

The crop circle reappeared the next morning, ten miles away in the field of another farmer, who did not accept the cash to destroy the contents of the circle.

The first farmer did not tell anyone that he was paid to remove the contents until weeks after the second circle had been found.



posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 04:24 AM
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Well I'm going to have to be a little straightforward and right off the topic.

If I had craft that I could use to graffiti on farmers land, I'd fly around some fields and draw a bunch of weiners...... I mean come on, some super intricate massive 800ft weiner, people would laugh.......


I mean they'd have to sensor it, a sensored crop field. Heh..... I don't usually say that stuff, but damn i'm..........hmmm I forgot the rest =)



posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 04:41 AM
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Originally posted by Exuberant1
reply to post by Razimus
 


"Every single crop circle has been man-made,"

Let me guess,

Do you intend to remain on this thread so that you can repeat this message over an over again?

Why even come on this thread if that is what you believe?

Your mind is made up, you've said as much.

What do you intend to accomplish?

[edit on 15-1-2009 by Exuberant1]


You asked me a specific question, I answered it, and you are mad because I answered it? haha, apparently your question was a trick question? it didn't exactly work because I don't care what you think.

Even whitley streiber was pissed at me when I disclosed the truth behind crop circles, he emailed me asking me how I knew...

I told him...

I know elaborate crop circles are man-made art-work, the field being the canvass, because I, myself, am an artist, and a human artist knows human art when they see it. Do I have PROOF? Well we have proof they can be made by man, can we prove every one? nobody has the man power to set up expensive night vision cameras in every random field so that is just a joke but I know the technology involved is simple, it's the MINDSET a non-artist can't comprehend, the mindset of the artist plans these things in advance, they have art teams interested in the project, they draw up schematics, they don't just do this crap improv while drunk one night. The artform is very lame at this point though as it's been done so many times before.

As for this threads specific crop circle, the fact that the metal was melted down is proof enough that it was a hoax from the beginning, who in their right mind would melt down E.T. proof just so they could pawn it off? makes no sense unless it was a hoax.

To all crop circle E.T. believers, I ask you, where's your proof? do you insist on spouting off this crap without ever backing it up?

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posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 04:53 AM
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"To all crop circle E.T. believers, I ask you, where's your proof?"

I'm agnostic on the matter.

I await proof, and will continue to analyze and discuss past and present discoveries, withholding judgment whilst continuing to theorize and discuss the matter with my peers.

My mind is open. You admit that yours is closed.

Why then do you insist on "spouting off" about how closed-minded you are?

*At least leave us alone to discuss the possibilities... which you admit you are not open to.

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posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 05:15 AM
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Originally posted by Exuberant1
reply to post by Razimus
 


"To all crop circle E.T. believers, I ask you, where's your proof?"

I'm agnostic on the matter.

I await proof, and will continue to analyze and discuss past and present discoveries, withholding judgment whilst continuing to theorize and discuss the matter with my peers.

My mind is open. You admit that yours is closed.

Why then do you insist on "spouting off" about how closed-minded you are?

*At least leave us alone to discuss the possibilities... which you admit you are not open to.

[edit on 15-1-2009 by Exuberant1]


I'm pretty much the only realist on this subject on this thread, I'm the only one here that believes crop circles are man-made by artists, and you don't want both sides on this thread? Don't pretend your neutral on this subject, you obviously lean towards E.T. being the artist and not human kind, that is apparent in every one of your posts, especially your attacking of my stance on the subject.

This is what I see, a bunch of guys saying "What are crop circles? ET I think" "Yeah ET definitely", "YEah ET" "ET" "Yep ET", And I say "man-made artists" and you freak out like a little baby..

You want to live in LA-LA land where there is no opposition to your beliefs, that land is pretty boring, without opposition you can never challenge, and you become complaciant, another mindless drone, droning away, keep droning baby. I can and will post my view on this thead as long as I like, you almost have a nazi-like wish to keep it under control, in a narrow minded box.



posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 05:36 AM
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Why are you so hostile?

Was it something I said?- perhaps this:

'I'm agnostic on the matter.

I await proof, and will continue to analyze and discuss past and present discoveries, withholding judgment whilst continuing to theorize and discuss the matter with my peers.'

*Then you attack me for being logical:

"You want to live in LA-LA land where there is no opposition to your beliefs,.."

*And Compare me to the Nazi Regime:

"...you almost have a nazi-like wish to keep it under control, in a narrow minded box. "

*Then you have the gall to say I'm the one attacking you:

"...especially your attacking of my stance on the subject. "

*I ask again - Why so much hostility?

[edit on 15-1-2009 by Exuberant1]



posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 05:47 AM
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I agree that at least some of the crop circles are man made. It would be a tiny bit naive to think otherwise, in my opinion. In England, a group of crop circle makers actually has their own website called "cirkemakers"!

It seems that even these artists think that some crop circles may be genunine - of uknown origin. This is a story I found at their website:


Towards the end of the 1992 season, our circlemaking team decided to test our refined techniques by attempting to produce what was, at the time, probably the most complicated design ever. It was whilst creating that formation that the following event occurred: As the sky grew darker we slowly walked along the narrow footpath that ran alongside our intended canvas for the night. I knew we had to start early if we had any chance of completing the formation before daybreak.

Once in the field, our initial job was to set up the datum line - A taut length of string (on this occasion pulled diagonally across a number of tram lines) that acts as a spinal cord from which the formation can grow. Finally we were off, and like the low munching of sheep our stompers began to turn the design into reality. After about an hour, we three circlemakers converged on the same point and began quietly discussing our progress. Suddenly my attention was drawn to a light that had appeared from nowhere. It was a few hundred yards away and directly in front of us. As soon as I'd registered its presence I alerted my colleagues. Amazed, we stood there gazing at this football-sized orange light as it hung motionless, about forty feet above the surrounding countryside. After an estimated five seconds the light began to slowly descend. Within another five seconds it had descended about ten feet and had faded into invisibility. With little time to spare, we excitedly returned to our work, always hopeful of a repeat performance.

Subsequent daylight checks revealed no evidence of the light's existence. That year also saw a large increase in the number of luminosities reported around circle sites. Did we witness a naturally occurring phenomenon - or were we really being scanned by the genuine circlemakers?

www.circlemakers.org...



posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 06:20 AM
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just a theory, but maybe just maybe, the design of the crop is a puzzle indicating where the craft came from. maybe its nota puzzle, maybe itis the exact location of the origin to where the ship came from. Maybe all youhave to do is look up in the sky, find any possible matches of the stars that coincide with the pictogram, and then focus your search there.
Just a theory.



posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 06:34 AM
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You seem so sure, so can you please explain why the elevated radiation at some crop circle sites???? Can the circle fakers reproduce this radiation?? Also the plates that were found at them, did you look at the reports into these plates? Could you please explain how the facts given are easily reproduced.
Your arguement of "knowing" they are all fake because your an artist is really one of the worst I have heard in a long time. Sorry but im going to keep looking into the actual data rather than take your word for it!



posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 06:47 AM
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Originally posted by JDN24
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Is this the video you were talking about?



Yes! Thanks. That's it. I believe the crop circles there were made with sonic energy or something similar.



posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 07:00 AM
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That is the best video I've seen yet about crop circles and ufos making them.

It is from 1989 and looks quite genuine.

I would like to see the measurements taken from within the circle they are making; soil samples, plants samples, radiation tests the lot.

I'll try to find them and post them here;

Does anyone know the location of this circle or the name of the person filming it?



posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 07:03 AM
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Originally posted by Exuberant1
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*This reminds of the farmer who was paid a hefty sum to remove the contents of his crop circle. There must have been a message in it that someone didn't want to become known.



That story was in the book, I was telling you about. The airline pilot was working on putting together the cut-out diagrams of the gift when he then needed to figure out what fueled the ship. He then heard about a crop circle that had appeared in a Kansas field in the summer of 1991.

You know what it was? It was this: It said E97+

The farmer said that the symbol was immediately erased by the government.

The author (Doug Ruby) thinks the crop circle was a message that was telling us: element 97.

He thinks the symbol was referring to the element 97, which is Berkelium (Bk) which has an atomic weight of 247. He thinks that is the element that is to be used to power the ship.


Ruby said this about the symbol: " I will leave it up to our scientists to understand the meaning of the letter E and the + sign. It is possible that all of these figures have an entirely different meaning in higher mathematics, chemistry, or nuclear physics. At any rate, here is a gimme if there ever was one. This completes my discussion of the ship's power plant. I am fully aware that I have created more questions than I answered, which is unavoidable at this time."


Ruby's book was published in 1995, and the complete name of the book is called: The Gift; The Crop Circles Deciphered. His work centered on the early crop circles, which people calll insectoid crop circles, because they looked somewhat like insects, or strange keys.

The crop circles later on became much more complex throughout the years.

Well, seriously, I'm going to work on deciphering more crop circles if anybody is interested in joining me.

Also, there is an expert speaker on the subject of crop circles; his name is Freddy Silva, and he has done extensive research on them for years, and has written books on the subject and made some interesting DVD's. He's speaking in quite a few places here in the US in 2009, if anyone wants to check out his website. Last month, I decided I was going to try to attend at least one of his speaking engagements this year.

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posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 07:08 AM
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"that story was in the book, I was telling you about: The Gift."


Actually it came out of Colin Andrews Mouth.

Colin Andrews - the man who investigated crop circles with the Ministry of Defense.

It is on Google video and is one hour long it is called 'Alien Signs' and it is a presentation by Colin Andrews.



posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 07:12 AM
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Well, I have the book right here in my lap, and I'm reading this paragraph right here on page 168.

It makes sense that this information would be well known by all prominent crop circle researchers. Crop circles aren't intellectual property, so all researchers are free to research them and publish their research. Doug Ruby didn't say that he discovered the crop circle, he just said that he put together all the information of all the crop circles and worked on deciphering them.

Maybe he got the information from Colin Andrews, or maybe Colin Andrews got the information from him. Or maybe they both got the information from the farmer. Who knows. But it doesn't really matter who reported the information first. What matters is what the information means.



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posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 07:13 AM
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Must be a well Known case then.

Colin Andrews also appears to be quite prolific - sort of like Nick Pop is nowadays.

It doesn't surprise that a case such as this has gotten around.



posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 07:18 AM
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Originally posted by Razimus

To all crop circle E.T. believers, I ask you, where's your proof? do you insist on spouting off this crap without ever backing it up?

[edit on 15-1-2009 by Razimus]


scientists do not have proof for many things, like dark matter or black holes, yet they believe they exist...

I could say: you believe in dark matter crap, it's a hoax!

your logic fails on the basic level




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