Basic essential tools for your BOB, page 4
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reply posted on 19-1-2009 @ 12:43 PM by salchanra
dainoyfb---nice arrowheads, have you tried firing those from a hand made bow and arrow? Curious as to accuracy as well as penetration. If even mildly successful, that is a great idea for a BOB or a BOL.

Nirgal----This is a question that comes up alot regarding BOB's. If it is grabbed and you are not planning on coming back. Alone, and what you will need. The answer isnt simple, at least thats what Ive seen.

First question is, do you have a BOL (bug out location for the new guy). If so, that should be well stocked, then you can easily streamline your bag. Just the essentials to get you where you are going. Simple, light, and fast. Keep gear to a minimum, and constantly look for new gear that is smaller and lighter than what you have.

If you dont have a place that is stocked up, and your bag is essentially your possesions for a day, a week, year, forever, then you run into a new set of guidelines. It is going to be heavier, thats a fact, you will need more stuff with you. Look for items that have duel purposes to minimize overall items and weight, look for the lightest yet durable items you can find to stuff your pack with. Lexan is great, but long term I would want titanium. Of course, look for things you think you need, but can do without until you learn how to create it from the wild. Why carry a water bottle and a cup when they serve the same function and one can readily carve cups in the wild. That sort of thing. Most importantly, always be looking to learn how to do it yourself instead of relying on gear, easiest way to lighten your load.


reply posted on 19-1-2009 @ 01:05 PM by Nirgal
reply to post by salchanra


Excellent points, particularly about the multi-use items. I keep thinking, "I want this knife or this axe or this knife too, it would be useful for x."

Then I remind myself I have a 12" and a 14" khukri. One of these would quite happily perform myriad functions.

The stash locations is a good idea. Some of my food is already at another location, unfortunately it's in an urban setting. The only plus is I'm the only person that knows the contents of the boxes.


reply posted on 21-1-2009 @ 02:20 PM by Northern Raider
Originally posted by Pockets
reply to post by Northern Raider


Coolio, I'm in Co. Durham aswell

10 lines


Neat we will have to meet up for coffee or a pint sometime, I'm still contemplating challenging the Brit contingent to have a bug out / social event/ navigating contest/ speed reaction test. one weekend.


reply posted on 21-1-2009 @ 02:32 PM by Northern Raider
Originally posted by Nirgal
Oh man. the big smoke was wet this morning as well. Ended up with a wet foot all day due to faulty steelies.

Back on subject though...

I have one issue with my BOB. I figure that if I ever need to use it then there's a pretty good chance I won't be returning.

So here's the thing, if you have to travel solo and cannot share the load what criteria would you employ for streamlining?

E.g. My SAS handbook would be essential because I don't have that knowledge in my head yet. Most of the contents will be used for living rough.

Guess I'll just have to man-up and work out more!


Go CEFO or Recce order the way soldiers used to if they had to move out quickly and abandon their logistical support chain.

3 layer clothing, say
helly hanson UB armour vest,
Norgie,
Hoody Fleece,
Bandana or Buff
fingerless gloves
rolled up goretex or ventile waterproof jacket and pants fastened with bungy to top of belt order.
boots.
PST, FSK and FAK in jacket pockets, plus compass, flashlight, spr batteries, micro radio. Lock knife, multi tool, binos
58 pattern belt order with waterbottle, filter straw and steel 58 pattern mug.
Micro cooker plus rats
Hygiene kit
small hand towel in kidney pouches
Pocho or bivvy bag rolled up and fastened to bottom of belt order.

Everything close to hand
Hands left free to carry weapon or climb

Any desired extras like more grub, changes of clothes, extra ammo etc in small rucksack on your back that you can drop if ambushed.


reply posted on 21-1-2009 @ 03:24 PM by mattifikation
I look for things that have more than one use. Some of those crank powered radios have a lot of features.

Midland XT511 Base Camp Two Way / Emergency Crank Radio
www.buytwowayradios.com...

Like that one there. It's features: AM/FM Radio, NOAA Weather Radio, 22 Channel 2-way radio, Alarm clock, Flashlight, USB Connector (USB can be used to charge many modern cell phones and mp3 players)

All that, just for turning a crank. And if the radios stop broadcasting and you just want some music, RCA makes a nice mp3 player that's splash resistant, rubber coated for protection, and even plays video (albeit on a very small screen.) I don't have a link, but I know they sell them at Wal-Mart. They have models that hold up to 4 gigabytes - at least a thousand songs - and they charge by USB cable so they'd work with that radio. It's not such a bad gadget for fighting off boredom.

Multi-tools have some darn handy gadgets on them, also. One multi-tool can replace several items in your pack, saving space and weight. The tools tend to be larger than what you'd find on a Swiss Army Knife, so I prefer multi-tools over the famous red gizmos.


reply posted on 22-1-2009 @ 02:18 PM by colec156
Originally posted by Northern Raider
Originally posted by Pockets
reply to post by Northern Raider


Coolio, I'm in Co. Durham aswell

10 lines


Neat we will have to meet up for coffee or a pint sometime, I'm still contemplating challenging the Brit contingent to have a bug out / social event/ navigating contest/ speed reaction test. one weekend.


Come to the south and I'm in.
mind you, I wonder if the authorities would be interested. ???


reply posted on 22-1-2009 @ 02:20 PM by colec156
Originally posted by mattifikation
I look for things that have more than one use. Some of those crank powered radios have a lot of features.

Midland XT511 Base Camp Two Way / Emergency Crank Radio
www.buytwowayradios.com...

Like that one there. It's features: AM/FM Radio, NOAA Weather Radio, 22 Channel 2-way radio, Alarm clock, Flashlight, USB Connector (USB can be used to charge many modern cell phones and mp3 players)

All that, just for turning a crank. And if the radios stop broadcasting and you just want some music, RCA makes a nice mp3 player that's splash resistant, rubber coated for protection, and even plays video (albeit on a very small screen.) I don't have a link, but I know they sell them at Wal-Mart. They have models that hold up to 4 gigabytes - at least a thousand songs - and they charge by USB cable so they'd work with that radio. It's not such a bad gadget for fighting off boredom.

Multi-tools have some darn handy gadgets on them, also. One multi-tool can replace several items in your pack, saving space and weight. The tools tend to be larger than what you'd find on a Swiss Army Knife, so I prefer multi-tools over the famous red gizmos.


That Radio find is top draw friend.
I had my eyes on one crank radio with charger etc, but I may change my mind with what I have just seen.


reply posted on 22-1-2009 @ 02:59 PM by salchanra
reply to post by colec156


Colec,

About a year ago my crank radio was wiped out, I picked up a FR 500 Solarlink. No regrets at all, will always have a place in my BOB, or as NR mentioned, I should be buying another one for a Faraday cage.

Anyways, good luck in getting a radio, very much worth the cost.

Eton Radio


reply posted on 22-1-2009 @ 03:15 PM by Northern Raider
Originally posted by salchanra
reply to post by colec156


Colec,

About a year ago my crank radio was wiped out, I picked up a FR 500 Solarlink. No regrets at all, will always have a place in my BOB, or as NR mentioned, I should be buying another one for a Faraday cage.

Anyways, good luck in getting a radio, very much worth the cost.

Eton Radio


I have a FR 200 because the 500 was not available at the time, I like it regarding quality and refinement.



reply posted on 27-1-2009 @ 01:29 PM by colec156
Originally posted by Northern Raider
Originally posted by salchanra
reply to post by colec156


Colec,

About a year ago my crank radio was wiped out, I picked up a FR 500 Solarlink. No regrets at all, will always have a place in my BOB, or as NR mentioned, I should be buying another one for a Faraday cage.

Anyways, good luck in getting a radio, very much worth the cost.

Eton Radio


I have a FR 200 because the 500 was not available at the time, I like it regarding quality and refinement.


Thats a nice radio you have there NR, I too was looking at buying one myself but then I found this one.
Click Here

Is has a mobile phone charger that maybe of some help and I'm sure that this can be adapted to charge other gadgets or batteries.
What do you think ??


reply posted on 27-1-2009 @ 01:41 PM by salchanra
reply to post by colec156


Does that get the NOAA weather channels? If so, then


reply posted on 27-1-2009 @ 04:02 PM by Northern Raider
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I have a FR 200 because the 500 was not available at the time, I like it regarding quality and refinement.


Thats a nice radio you have there NR, I too was looking at buying one myself but then I found this one.
Click Here

Is has a mobile phone charger that maybe of some help and I'm sure that this can be adapted to charge other gadgets or batteries.
What do you think ??



Ah Yes I read a list of reviews about this water resistant version, all were very good, It appears the basic design is loaded towards the US market and its domestic radio services, but it does adapt well enough for European use.


reply posted on 27-1-2009 @ 04:14 PM by Nirgal
I have no idea what this one will be like but it's winging its way to me as I type.

The most obvious problem I foresee is it being a jack-of-all-trades and therefore a master of none.

Still, as I say, it has two chances...
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