k, well anyway, to me that sounds like a big contradiction. either that or women were never thought to be capable of going to heaven, in which case, i'm sure glad jesus came along and that i don't have to look for him in a book when he's right here with me.

Originally posted by undo
k, well anyway, to me that sounds like a big contradiction. either that or women were never thought to be capable of going to heaven, in which case, i'm sure glad jesus came along and that i don't have to look for him in a book when he's right here with me.

Surely no one believes that women wont be in heaven ....I have never heard anyone even suggest that before ....
The book helps me alot in my daily walk with the Lord ...I know him personally but I also love to read about history (which the word has alot of history in it) and I love to hear about the Apostles and what they did ..where they went ...who they touched ..how they lived ..how they acted ...And I really love all the info I get about God and the Lord Jesus Christ ..
Even the OT is interesting ...and I loved David and Goliath and Ruth and Psalms and Job (wow he really touches me by his strength and faith in God)
So many others ..Proverbs is awesome advice ......So is Psalms and Ecclesiastics ..etc ..
Really there is not any problem in life (basic ones) that the bible does not deal with and help me get through things when it is me in those shoes (which I have lived a life similar to some of those people ) ....or at least sort of ..different circumstances but the same results when I took the advice from Proverbs and the Apostles etc .................

The Lord sets me straight though when I even try and justify my own actions using the word digging to see how I can come to my own conclusions and get a justification from it somewhere for my own sinful actions ..He also has shown me scripture that helped me leave my beater husband .. ...I would not leave my husband who beat me because of scripture saying divorce was not good ...or permissible .......until I found scripture that says if he is not pleased to dwell with me he can let me go ..problem was I wasnt pleased .(he was) .....then more scriptures were shown to me ...and he opened my eyes to some things and so I left ...
I kept having bad bloody dreams that he really was going to kill me if I did not get out .(he tried many times) ...I didnt listen to my dreams .I could actually feel the Lord trying to lead me out ..but I refused to go ....for 5 years ....but one day ...some things happened after reading scripture ..(a miracle happened that would never have happened unless God did it) I wont say what ...but that was my clue to go ...
Thank God ...because I made it out alive .....

There is one thing I have always wondered about though since we are on the subject of women ...........
There are no women angels whatsover in the bible ...at least none that I know of ...anyone know of any ?

I have seen two angels before and they were definately men ..

My Mother (God bless her soul) saw women angels a few times though ...(and I believe her) ..

Originally posted by Simplynoone

Originally posted by undo
k, well anyway, to me that sounds like a big contradiction. either that or women were never thought to be capable of going to heaven, in which case, i'm sure glad jesus came along and that i don't have to look for him in a book when he's right here with me.

Surely no one believes that women wont be in heaven ....I have never heard anyone even suggest that before ....
The book helps me alot in my daily walk with the Lord ...I know him personally but I also love to read about history (which the word has alot of history in it) and I love to hear about the Apostles and what they did ..where they went ...who they touched ..how they lived ..how they acted ...And I really love all the info I get about God and the Lord Jesus Christ ..
Even the OT is interesting ...and I loved David and Goliath and Ruth and Psalms and Job (wow he really touches me by his strength and faith in God)
So many others ..Proverbs is awesome advice ......So is Psalms and Ecclesiastics ..etc ..
Really there is not any problem in life (basic ones) that the bible does not deal with and help me get through things when it is me in those shoes (which I have lived a life similar to some of those people ) ....or at least sort of ..different circumstances but the same results when I took the advice from Proverbs and the Apostles etc .................

.He also has shown me scripture that helped me leave my beater husband .. ...

I read everything you posted tonight, it's all very interesting. It looks like you ran into one of those reality situations that ideals in scripture don't address too well.

I mean, the ideals would work fine if everyone followed them, but in reality everyone doesn't.

Another situation similar to this is where Paul says we should not sue our brother and drag him before the Law of the Unjust. But in the real word , brothers cheat their brothers, slanders their brothers, ruin business relationships, etc, and cause brothers to incur serious damage, and if they won't compensate you what are you supposed to do? I believe you have a right to sue a brother for compensation, if they won't conduct themselves accordingly. So I also believe you have a right to leave an abusive husband....as you have said correctly.

[edit on 16-1-2009 by John Matrix]

Originally posted by Simplynoone
There is one thing I have always wondered about though since we are on the subject of women ...........
There are no women angels whatsover in the bible ...at least none that I know of ...anyone know of any ?

I have seen two angels before and they were definately men ..

My Mother (God bless her soul) saw women angels a few times though ...(and I believe her) ..

The one that came to me was a woman. She was about 12 feet tall. When she spoke I could feel her voice resonate through me. I did not get a clear look at her because the Light she stood in was too bright and she was standing right next to me(looking up was too difficult because of the light). The light was so bright that I could see my bones when I looked at my arm or down my body.


[edit on 16-1-2009 by John Matrix]

According to the OP, the question was: "Why did God smite the Egyptians, including children?"

The answer is: Pharaoh was going to kill the first-born children of the Hebrews, so God reversed the command of Pharaoh and had the angel of death take the first born of the Egyptians. It was one of the means of getting Pharaoh to release the Hebrews.

PS: Death is a big thing to those who do not believe in life after death.

Originally posted by Jim Scott
According to the OP, the question was: "Why did God smite the Egyptians, including children?"

The answer is: Pharaoh was going to kill the first-born children of the Hebrews, so God reversed the command of Pharaoh and had the angel of death take the first born of the Egyptians. It was one of the means of getting Pharaoh to release the Hebrews.

Wow, for such a loving and caring supreme being of inifinite compassion -- he reverses a command by "killing children". But not just that, no. He did it first so the other guy couldn't!

So he has the power to do that? Why didn't he just "change the Pharoah's mind" instead? Why didn't he smite all the people who would have killed the children instead? Surely that's better than "killing children" ?!

The definition of a true, unbiased love from 'God' -- "Love me and worship me but don't question me or you will get your @rse handed back to you ten fold. Oh by the way, here's free-will. Enjoy!"




[edit on 16-1-2009 by noonebutme]

Originally posted by noonebutme

Originally posted by Jim Scott
According to the OP, the question was: "Why did God smite the Egyptians, including children?"

The answer is: Pharaoh was going to kill the first-born children of the Hebrews, so God reversed the command of Pharaoh and had the angel of death take the first born of the Egyptians. It was one of the means of getting Pharaoh to release the Hebrews.

Wow, for such a loving and caring supreme being of inifinite compassion -- he reverses a command by "killing children". But not just that, no. He did it first so the other guy couldn't!

So he has the power to do that? Why didn't he just "change the Pharoah's mind" instead? Why didn't he smite all the people who would have killed the children instead? Surely that's better than "killing children" ?!

The definition of a true, unbiased love from 'God' -- "Love me and worship me but don't question me or you will get your @rse handed back to you ten fold. Oh by the way, here's free-will. Enjoy!"


[edit on 16-1-2009 by noonebutme]

Don't take it Literally, God would dread;
Never happened, but always is.
God vs. Evil; the war rages in You.
Who wins, who loses?
Your road is low; His is High.
The Story happens in your head.
Did you see the dead?
Mock God; you Lose.

Sounds to me like Paul is stuck on the physical, while Jesus is not. Paul see's man and woman, Jesus see's the soul contained within.

It's just another example of Paul contradicting Jesus. With Paul's call for "order", I'd bet he'd have thought Jesus was a heretic for doing such things.

Even if it were true about adam and eve, as an adam I do not blame eve. I would have to blame myself for I am the one responsible for my actions. And even if you can claim eve is responsible, I forgive her.

Not to long ago I seen a John Wayne movie preview on TV. It was John Wayne and this woman. John on his horse, and the woman doing something along the church. John is about to go off and do something, and the woman quotes Jesus in giving him advice. John Wayne then quotes Paul in a verse as a way of telling her to know her place and to shut up.

If anything, I would say Pauls problem with women comes from his own jealousy as woman are in general more like Jesus. More loving and forgiving than Paul was ever capable of.

Originally posted by badmedia
Sounds to me like Paul is stuck on the physical, while Jesus is not. Paul see's man and woman, Jesus see's the soul contained within.

It's just another example of Paul contradicting Jesus. With Paul's call for "order", I'd bet he'd have thought Jesus was a heretic for doing such things.

Even if it were true about adam and eve, as an adam I do not blame eve. I would have to blame myself for I am the one responsible for my actions. And even if you can claim eve is responsible, I forgive her.

Not to long ago I seen a John Wayne movie preview on TV. It was John Wayne and this woman. John on his horse, and the woman doing something along the church. John is about to go off and do something, and the woman quotes Jesus in giving him advice. John Wayne then quotes Paul in a verse as a way of telling her to know her place and to shut up.

If anything, I would say Pauls problem with women comes from his own jealousy as woman are in general more like Jesus. More loving and forgiving than Paul was ever capable of.

Sounds like you are stuck in a feedback loop.
Get over it?
How does it feel going through life,
When, wherever you go you cause Strife.
Shut up and listen for a change.
Is that so Strange.
Your better than Paul, we get that.
Anything else you can Chat?

Originally posted by badmedia

If anything, I would say Pauls problem with women comes from his own jealousy as woman are in general more like Jesus. More loving and forgiving than Paul was ever capable of.

I take serious issue with you asserting women are more like Jesus and more loving. I would say both are equal in that regard. Why the gender bias? Do you have the Ahab Spirit?