Originally posted by Titen-Sxull
No one has yet attempted to refute my argument, from what I can tell, most of the responses are in agreement with my point...
My belief is that the Universe IS God, this erases the Creationism versus Abiogenesis debate because if the Universe is God and life came about due to
the Universe than God did create life... It makes sense on a lot of levels if you think about it...
But I, for one, am tired of ignorant people clinging to their dying religions, I say keep your belief in God but forget everything you've been told
to believe about God so that your mind can be open to the real truth rather than closed by the blinders of religion...
Hi. The universe is not god. I once thought maybe this was true, but this is not true. The bible says something along the lines of - and god
created the heavens, the earth and so on. But then it mentions the spirit of god fills the creation. So let me bring understanding of that to
I'll spill the beans for you right out. God is pure consciousness. Consciousness being the part of one that says "I AM". I think, therefore I
am. The universe is made up of action and reaction. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. This is known as logic. If this
happens, then this will happen etc. Consciousness doesn't follow this however. A computer for example works off action and reaction, and programs
work off logic. They can not truly generate a random number because of it. But real and actual consciousness can. The universe which is only
about action and reaction does not have the free will to actually make a choice. It is bound to the logic which "forces" it to do things. This
is what makes technology and things like cars work. A Car isn't much of car if it just decides it wants to take you somewhere else. It's because it
doesn't have free will and is bound by logic that it functions as we need.
Science as well all but ignores consciousness for this reason. Science is great in the realm of action and reaction. But since consciousness
doesn't follow these laws, then they can't do much with it. They need to be able to repeat it in a lab 99.9% of the time before it is provable.
When consciousness gets in the way of doing this, they will generally just label it as "random", because that is the closest thing they can see it
When religion gets to a place they can't define, they say - god works in mysterious ways. When science gets to the same place, they use random for
the same purpose, the big bang, evolution etc. And trying to generate a seemingly random number is about the closest thing you can do to simulating
consciousness. Course, it's not really random, nor is it actually consciousness.
Logic is created by consciousness. You can't create consciousness with logic. It is consciousness which is the observer, science forgets the
scientist in the equation. Consciousness isn't called consciousness in the old days, it is called heart. It's what machines lack,
consciousness/heart. The ability to understand, and has no free will.
What is the only thing which can create something out of nothing? Thought which comes from consciousness! Also sometimes called what god "says" in
the creation part. It's like when I write a program(my job), I am writing down words that create the program. No joke. It is exactly what I do.
I write down words of logic that create "laws" for the program. So, this is what creates the universe. But it needs the spirit of
god(consciousness) to fill it up before it becomes "alive" or real. If there is nobody to observe it, then it's for all effects nonexistent.
Think if you created a video game. You will write down the logic for the program. The PC runs the logic and creates the world. But it is not
until you apply your consciousness to the game that it actually comes "alive". Remove your consciousness from the game, game goes away. With me
So 2 levels here. 1 is action and reaction. This is creation/universe.
The other is observation, the state of being aware, action and reaction is replaced by reason and understanding. This is spiritual realm of
This was known thousands of years ago. If you haven't figured it out yet - you are god, and you are arguing with yourself. That little part of
you that is able to be aware is the god within you. This is what Jesus is talking about in John 14:20, when he talks about how the father and Jesus
are in you. This what is being referred to when they say the kingdom of heaven is within. This is what gives you free will and so on. To be
conscious is very special. It is not of this universe/creation.
Now, father and son relationship. The father/god contains the sum of all consciousness. While you are in part god because of your consciousness,
you are not god in total. Thus, you are the son/daughter. This is where things like pride come in. If you put so much pride into yourself that you
are putting yourself above others, then you are not seeing or respecting the god that is within that other person. This is also why the sins are
called sins against
god. Because when you do bad things to another person, then you are doing those things to another part of god. So you
are the son of god, and so is everyone else. As the son, or a smaller part of the sum/father we have a limited perspective. The father is greater
because he contains all perspectives. And this is why you can never be greater than the father. This is also where Satan goes wrong, as he lets
his pride get the best of him, and sees only his consciousness as God, but not in others. And so he seeks to be greater than the father and so on.
The deception is just to keep you from seeing the truth, because if you do not realize these things, then you will turn your back on god(without
realizing - forgive them father for they know not what they do).
This will maybe also explain things like "the body is the temple of god". Because the body contains and is the vessel for consciousness/god. The
body is made up of logic, it is made from the universe, and so it comes "from the dust of the earth".
And so when you realize this, then you can see why Jesus was showing the right way. And when he says don't worry about those who can kill the body,
it's because your consciousness isn't going to die. Kind of like you don't die when you die in a video game. Oh, reminds me - the "soul" is
just your bit of individuality within the father/spirit(all is connected and 1 truly).
And you are completely right for rejecting the church and so on. I call the christian church the church of Satan. Just a bunch of people who don't
understand a thing, and just repeat what they are told by authority. It all makes logical sense. When people of wisdom talk about no logic being
able to explain it, it's just talking about there is no logic which can create consciousness. Trying to find logic to explain or create it is
pretty well useless - I learned the hard way after spending much time on it.
Study up on consciousness and such a good bit if you want to get closer to god. If you ask yourself questions, the answers will come within. I'll
answer any questions I can for you as well. I'll let you chew on this a bit and we can move into more deeper things such as what Jesus is talking
about, the book of life(dna library), evolution and so on. You'll need to understand the above first, so let me know if you have any questions.
[edit on 15-1-2009 by badmedia]