The Bible, Man's book or God's Word?, page 3
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reply posted on 14-1-2009 @ 05:02 PM by NightSkyeB4Dawn
reply to post by letthereaderunderstand



I don't understand that. Are saying that God loves games so he made this huge complicated convoluted world, then had man write out a bunch of cryptograms and the ones that fine the answers in time wins and the rest will de destroyed? Is this Celestial Survivor? I wonder what the ratings are.



reply posted on 14-1-2009 @ 05:11 PM by undo
reply to post by Titen-Sxull



read my post above.
the answer is not as black and white as it appears in the texts.


reply posted on 14-1-2009 @ 05:15 PM by Titen-Sxull
reply to post by karl 12



Nice one karl 12, I was surprised by how high the body count was, I'd like to see the total once you add the deaths prophesied in Revelation, isn't it like one third of humanity that's supposed to be killed during our loving God's return?

I've actually heard people argue that mankind's morality and rules don't apply to God, I guess those people forgot that "Thou Shalt Not Kill" was God's rule, not man's (according to the Bible)

That T-Shirt was pretty great too, surprised they managed to fit all that on it


reply posted on 14-1-2009 @ 05:28 PM by undo
reply to post by Titen-Sxull



one argument on that subject is that the third is a reference to that portion of man's DNA that is faulty either due to interference or pollution. also, your dna has been spliced with a shut off code, a self destruct sequence, that when activated in its timed implementation, begins a cascade event in which each of your body systems begin to decay faster and faster.



reply posted on 14-1-2009 @ 05:58 PM by NatureBoy
reply to post by TasteTheMagick



hehe are you quoting capitalist casualty lyrics or is it a coincidence? either way i gave you a star for it

The bible was written by some very clever people who convinced themselves they knew what was best for their tribe, they most likely did most the time but then they got carried away and the power turned to ego which soon become the massive catholic church controlling everyones every action.

if god was all knowing then why did he first give noah 7 commandments then later give mosses 10 diffrent laws before adding over 600 which he later sent his son to kill himself on earth to change again but he never really mentioned clearly which laws to take away and which to leave, can we now draw pictures of heaven and angels? is it a sin for man to lie to man? must we still stone our family for suggesting we worship a god other than that of the mountain?

if the bible was sensible it would have a single cohesive moral direction and stick to it from creation to now, changeing your mind or being wrong isn't very godly.

Also angels don't make any sence, none at all - they change nature dramatically throughout the book, the end times make no sense what so ever, most of the morals are nonsense, judas dies twice (once falling over once by hanging himself) oh and it's racist hate speech of the highest order its anti woman, antigay anti freedom of speach anti freedom of religion anti science and anti just about everything else we in the modern world hold dear.

why, oh why do people still follow it like it's..er....gospel.


reply posted on 14-1-2009 @ 06:29 PM by TruthParadox
reply to post by Titen-Sxull



[sarcasm]
What gives you the right to talk bad about God?
Sure he committed worse acts than Hitler, but he's God - he gets a free pass (or two!).
We're not supposed to think about such things logicaly, because God should not be questioned because... well... because he's God![/sarcasm]


reply posted on 14-1-2009 @ 06:56 PM by Grandma
reply to post by InfaRedMan



Religion = man = failure

Christian = spirit filled = love



Peace,
Grandma


reply posted on 14-1-2009 @ 07:18 PM by paperplanes
Originally posted by Grandma
reply to
post by InfaRedMan



Religion = man = failure

Christian = spirit filled = love



Peace,
Grandma


What role does the Bible play in your life? I realize that you see a dividing line between religion and Christianity (ostensibly, correct me if I've misinterpreted), but would you care to comment on the topic of discussion--the veracity of the Bible?


reply posted on 14-1-2009 @ 07:31 PM by Wehali
Originally posted by NatureBoy
why, oh why do people still follow it like it's..er....gospel.


Because people are addicted to the lack of individual responsibility
offered by religion. When they have to give up their religion, they
have to come to the realization that they are responsible for their
life, and no one else. That frightens people, the idea that they are
responsible for their lives, frightens people terribly, so they prefer
to stick with the drug called religion.

Religion is as synthetic as heroine, cocaine, alcohol or nicotine,
entirely created by man, religion has got nothing to do with God,
even though it claims the opposite. The contradicting nonsense
you find in the bible, the old testament and the koran, is evidence
of this, because do you really think a divine entity would contradict
itself on every page, writing down drivel that no one understands?

Believing in God is important, but believing in your own divinity,
and connection with everything around you, believing in having the
power to be master over your own life, is far more important.

Truly having God in your heart is almost impossible when locked
in religious belief. Even as a child I felt that it was imperative that
I do everything in my power to prevent being poisoned by religion,
especially christianity can have a devastatingly destructive effect
on the mind.

Just look at the bible belt in the United States, these people are
become complete lunatics! Islam is causing similar insanities in the
Middle East, and Judaism is currently causing people to support the
horrible murders of thousands of people in Gaza.

[edit on (14/1/09) by Wehali]


reply posted on 14-1-2009 @ 08:26 PM by Grandma
reply to post by Titen-Sxull



Titen-Sxull:

"For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities - his eternal power and divine nature - have been CLEARLY SEEN, being understood from what has been made, so that men are WITHOUT excuse." (Romans 1:20)

I am a Chrisitan, follower of Christ. That being said it is my opinion that the OT was not the work of God. The Gnostics had another version of who Yawah may have been and I kind of agree with it. God had given the earth to either an angel or another one of power under him to be caregiver and co-creator of the earth. The enity got a little power hunger and decided to try to create a man in their image and things didn't work out so well. I believe it was this power who did all the killing in the OT and divided the land amoung the Hebrews. the Father does not kill, but as the scripture says God has through nature been clearly seen men did not get it.

At that time in history the sacrifices would have made sense to the Hebrews. All other religions were doing sacrifices. They understood the life was the blood and this was a object lesson about atonement for their sins. Which of course Christ took care of once and for all for all mankind.

It the bible flawed? Yes, I think it is. That being said though it has get history that can't be found anywhere else. And there is a lot ot truth in that old book if you have eyes that are spiritually open to see it.

I do believe that the Lord does use the scriptures to help guide us and teach us his ways. One must have a humbled heart, mind, body, and soul to see the wisdom and enlightenment that comes from both books of the bible. Christ showed us God when he was here on earth with us for a short time. The person he showed us was one who was loving, full of mercy, faithfull, and forgiving. Not angry, jealous, or a murderer.

The main truth of the bible still rings true today as it has for over 2,000 years. That is the love of Christ to love our brothers and sisters as he did and to love God with all our heart, mind, body, and soul.

A Christian is always working to become more Christlike everyday and crucify our worldly desires to seek heavenly ones. I got that from my bible and from the help of the Holy Spirit who helps keep my spirit one with the Lord's

It is truly a love so amazing that one just cannot explain it. It goes beyond the love that a man and a woman have for each other. It is a deeper love that lights up your soul and puts a song in your heart that only you can hear.

Peace in his name,
Grandma
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