The guy who is meant to have created us all and the universe can't even form a coherent sentence without contradicting it a couple of pages later and doesn't have a grasp on nature's limitations yet supposedly created the damn thing lol.

God uses prophets to write his word, that way there's no proof God did it, forcing everyone to have faith, the opposite of fear, the spiritually dead have no faith they are unfammiliar with that it is, it's kinda like optimism and being happy and hoping for something that is there, but it only works if that something actually is there, so if you claim to have faith in something that isn't there or isn't true it's just a false belief. So man wrote down the texts that formed the bible, Excepting the 10 commandments, which cannot be found, and never will be found, because of course that would be too much proof and again faith wouldn't be as important than cold hard evidence now would it, that's why I believe the shroud of turin is faker than fake, hold no faith in it for all faith held in the fake shroud is in vain.

Originally posted by theresult
haha :p ur so funny btw ur avatar rocks

But on topic i would say that i got to this point using mathmatics.. i know that sounds realy odd to many but for me having my feet on the ground ment alot to me and still does.

The bible is a good book dont geet me wrong flawed yes ! but it atleasts tells men to work as a team, well thats what it told me..

Now with that in hand we still have the question of god and who or what is he??

well tbh you can ask untill a cow flys over and snips on you! becouse thats one thing we wont ever find out..

Now we come to the harsh reality of being "alive".. what is this??? im alive!!!

now we can see ALLL things in the universe and its crazy madness!

If god did infact give us a gift, i shall tell you what it is

BEING ALIVE.. to witness it

Very pragmatic i know but, understanding is not the same thing as questioning something...

Its like reading a book.. do you question what you read or do you want to get to the end of the book??

Humans are very stupid we question things we dont even understand and that leads into infinity...

Lets question things we do unerstand! that way we can understand them better.. like this thread.


I can prove math is your so called third eye becouse being alive shows it "in nature"

pattens / symmerty / any loop is the result of you being here to see it..
Its life in all its glory..

For me the important part of life is being alive.. not asking things i dont understand or will never get the answer too..

Do we as humans have a goal? Nope we dont.. why? we keep asking the wrong question..

untill we stop asking pointless things we will never understand wtf it means infact to BE alive...and not dead becouse thats the end of my "loop"

Everything is possible becouse im alive, when im not alive.. well who cares lol my loop just ended and so did the universe and everything inside outside above and below.. "infiintiy".. we are in affect infinitys YANG and it is our YING



sorry the post was so long its hard trying to put it down "im crap at english" ; p

I am a musician by trade. If not for numbers and patterns (only real language) I would have been lost.

I know exactly what you mean, but don't be confused on God. I hate that name. Don't be confused on "Self existent". That is literally his name. Say it in any language you want, but this is Hebrew. Yew/Yahu/Yeho Without YOU there is no ME...Do you see? Take you away and you don't see me. Do you see?

Self existent is angry everyday over this, because people will not be him, but he is already them. Separate you, you separate him.

Do not be confused but KNOW and BE. You are not the totality, you have no end, just like you had no beginning...just the perception that you did, but you don't remember beginning and you won't remember end because as you have said. The gift, this gift....Is always Alive.

Originally posted by flyingunknown
God uses prophets to write his word, that way there's no proof God did it, forcing everyone to have faith, the opposite of fear, the spiritually dead have no faith they are unfammiliar with that it is, it's kinda like optimism and being happy and hoping for something that is there, but it only works if that something actually is there, so if you claim to have faith in something that isn't there or isn't true it's just a false belief. So man wrote down the texts that formed the bible, Excepting the 10 commandments, which cannot be found, and never will be found, because of course that would be too much proof and again faith wouldn't be as important than cold hard evidence now would it, that's why I believe the shroud of turin is faker than fake, hold no faith in it for all faith held in the fake shroud is in vain.

God is true. Anything done of God is done for all men to see. If it is in the dark, it is not of God.

Faith manifests life. Blind faith falls in a grave. Many, many, many are walking in Blind faith thinking they have real faith. Faith without works is not faith. Faith manifests, blind faith does not. God is true...very simple. He saw the light and it was good. He is parable and contradiction to those seeking there own ends and to them God personally grants their end.

Truth is the measure, so that when people see what is true, they will see God. Until this happens, men will be a living soul, not a life giving spirit. Faith, true faith, manifests. If it can't be seen and verified, or it simply is not true.

I can show you salvation. "The son of man". No Christian is going to make that little wooden Jesus come off that cross, because it is a lie. It will not, because it cannot save. You are the real deal, stop giving power to an image. (not you flyingunknown) all of us.

Nothing is hidden friends. Truth is the easiest thing in the world. People make it hard, but as sure as you can see your hand in front of you, you view a hand of God. Don't be fooled any more....LIVE.

Life after life, how long until you see? How long must we sleep and wake up. It is like groundhogs day for ever over here. Please see and wake up. I feel like Bill Murray. No matter how many times I walk in front of a bus, I am right back here....PLEASE wake up....please....remember who you are....please believe that you are who you know you are at your core....tsion

What generation did you see the dove settle on? Is that freedom Rock...we'll turn IT UP man.

Originally posted by SR
The guy who is meant to have created us all and the universe can't even form a coherent sentence without contradicting it a couple of pages later and doesn't have a grasp on nature's limitations yet supposedly created the damn thing lol.

You speak of it like it already happened...but you don't see it IS happening, not past, but now always current.

You want a mind bumper? Try to figure that one out. How can a whole book be occurring right now...this instance....right now....? Every story is hot and live. All you got to do is read the original scripts, word for word.

You pass off this book because of Dogma, but your Karma will find your Dogma and create all kinds of Drama.

Does a pyramid really end at the tip, or is that just the tip of the pyramid?

"The Neverending Story"...and you thought it was a movie.

But another example of why I am convinced the Bible is written by humans is due to God's inferiority complex and possibly his small willie!

This is best detailed by him getting peeved when people erect a Golden Calf and worship it. He goes a bit mental and tells them all that they should worship no idol but him.

I mean, c'mon! How can such a perfect being, so kind and love us all and who gave us *free will* say you can't worship anything but him? How insecure is that??

That's because he DIDN'T say that. To anyone. Or any prophet, etc. There was no burning bush, no NRA-supporting muppets coming down from a mountain with stone tablets ordering people how to live. It was conceived by humans as a means to control humans and to gain/maintain power over humans. Simple.

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Originally posted by theresult
god is a very good poker player lol

Undoubtedly. However I kind of wish 'he/it/whatever' would tell us what game we're playing is, the rules and then let us see our hole cards before we go 'all in'

No one has yet attempted to refute my argument, from what I can tell, most of the responses are in agreement with my point...

My belief is that the Universe IS God, this erases the Creationism versus Abiogenesis debate because if the Universe is God and life came about due to the Universe than God did create life... It makes sense on a lot of levels if you think about it...

But I, for one, am tired of ignorant people clinging to their dying religions, I say keep your belief in God but forget everything you've been told to believe about God so that your mind can be open to the real truth rather than closed by the blinders of religion...

I went to a Christian secondary school in which virtually all of the teachers had attended seminary and were very well read with regard to the Christian texts. They were generally very rational, academic types, a few of whom were Rhodes Scholars--in other words, they could hold their own in any other arena. They were still unable to craft any persuasive response to my atheist objections. It usually came down to "Well, we just don't know. God has his reasons. Who are we, as mere humans, to judge?".

My philosophy is that if an action wouldn't be justifiable if perpetrated by a human, it shouldn't be justifiable when perpetrated by a god. Old Yahweh shouldn't get a free pass in the morality department.