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Gaza: Israeli troops reveal ruthless tactics against Hamas

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posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 01:37 PM
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It is kind of amusing to hear the outrage from the pro-carnage folks...

Those IDF guys are using lethal force!

And it that wasn't enough... (gulp) overwhelming firepower!!!

No really, what did you pro-carnage guys would happen after Lebanon 2006?

Answer: The IDF traded in their phony PC rules of engagement, trying to look like humanitarian soldiers, when they realized it bought NOTHING with the hate-mongers!

As an honest observer, you have just got to love the flexibility of the IDF! They rewrite the doctrine on warfare EVER time out.

Maybe Hamas should do something along the following lines for the next conflict... Instead of getting caught with their panties down...

Note to self... Note to self... Don't launch missiles. Those IDF bastards are really pissed!

Right Achemd... Damn! Who wants to be the NEW interior minister?

Ain't it a bitch being a stupid jihadist?





posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 02:54 PM
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Ain't it a bitch being a stupid jihadist?


I bet all the 4 year olds they have killed so far were so indoctrinated with the jihadi theology they just HAD to be taken out.


[edit on 15-1-2009 by Grafilthy]



posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 02:59 PM
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One can sadly only speculate that it might have been a good day to skip take your kid to work day.

One of the things that is supposed to make us human is the instinct to foster and protect your children.

So what exactly is your point?

It might rub you the wrong way, but this thing about the 'kids' is inane.

A wiser person might say something along the lines of...

Why is this caring not extended to ALL of the innocents?

You have an answer for that?



posted on Jan, 16 2009 @ 01:38 AM
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Why is this caring not extended to ALL of the innocents?

You have an answer for that?


This caring is for ALL of the "innocents". How many Israeli civilians have been killed by Palestinians in the last 3 weeks? None?

So that would make "ALL of the innocents", Palestinian civilians. Wouldn't it?



posted on Jan, 16 2009 @ 02:09 AM
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Yes, there are the people in Gaza that claim killing Israeli's is service to God.
There are children t.v shows ran by Hamas that taught how great it is to be a martyr for Allah.
A Hamas leader spoke of using women & children as human shields and that it is a great thing.


There are also people in Israel that claim that anyone who does not follow or support them will be wiped out according to Jewish religion.



and this is how propaganda works. a play on words and misinterpreted information.

Deny Ignorance. Read subtitles.

I watched your video, the subtitles don't match what you say.

"This is why they have formed human shields of the women and children" (15 seconds into it). He doesn't say WE he says THEY referring to Israelis.

He is speaking about how death has become their fate and how the elderly and women and children are so easy to kill and that is why they (the Israelis) came up with the term human shield as if to say that they (the Palestinians) love death, like they ( the israelis) love life.

Maybe you should ask someone who speaks Arabic to interpret it. Or maybe just READ the subtitles s l o w l y.

[edit on 16-1-2009 by Obliterated]



posted on Jan, 16 2009 @ 03:35 AM
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Originally posted by golemina
One can sadly only speculate that it might have been a good day to skip take your kid to work day.

One of the things that is supposed to make us human is the instinct to foster and protect your children.

So what exactly is your point?

It might rub you the wrong way, but this thing about the 'kids' is inane.

A wiser person might say something along the lines of...

Why is this caring not extended to ALL of the innocents?

You have an answer for that?



Near 1000 dead Palestinian civilians now.
Whats the count for Israel? 4 a few weeks ago?

Over 200 dead Palestinian children.
Dead Israeli children? 0.


Don't attempt to pull that pity the Israelis garbage.

We do care about ALL of the innocents... just so happens that ALL of the innocents recently are Palestinians.



posted on Jan, 16 2009 @ 08:01 AM
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Obliterated, he was speaking of Palestinians using themselves as weapons. Those subtitles are NOT wrong. And there's no such thing as fate. What is real, is that he who lives by the sword will die by the sword. As you sow, you shall also reap.



posted on Jan, 16 2009 @ 08:18 AM
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yeah those people are supposed to be smart, if your not smart enough to realize that u need to get as far away as possible from the "WEEEEEEEEEEOOOOOOOOOOOO THERES A BARRAGE OF F%(^#& BOMBS COMING TOWARDS YOUR HEAD WEEEEOOOOOOOO" sound because whatever is around you won't matter when it's blown into a thousand pieces then you honestly shouldn't ask why you got blown up and neither should anyone else. Want to know why innocent people are dying, it's called natural selection, darwinism. hey im going to bomb right here okay. now you can stand there with all your stuff but you and all of it will be destroyed not if you take 2 steps over there you can at least leave with your life. So.... you want to keep ur stuff? Alright nice knowin' yah.



posted on Jan, 16 2009 @ 08:20 AM
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now if you take 2 steps over there...***



posted on Jan, 16 2009 @ 09:13 AM
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Obliterated, he was speaking of Palestinians using themselves as weapons.


Like i said, read the subtitles s l o w l y.

Press pause at 15 seconds and read it. He is not saying that they use themself as weapons. He is say that THEY (refering to Israelis) formed human shields. He is did not say WE made human shields.

He is explaining how Israel created Human Shields as an excuse to kill.

Now before replying again, Read the subtitles properly.



posted on Jan, 16 2009 @ 09:22 AM
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now you can stand there with all your stuff but you and all of it will be destroyed not if you take 2 steps over there you can at least leave with your life.


what if you take 2 steps closer instead?
Can you honestly say that if you heard a WEEEEEEOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO you would know exactly where that missile was going to land?
Or even anywhere near where it was going to land?
Do you think that if someone aims a sniper at you, you're going to know about it?
If you live in a densley populated little town within the confines of an 8 meter fence surrounded by military, what options to leave so that you don't die do you have?
If hospitals, schools, homes and UN buildings are being blown up... where would you be safest?



posted on Jan, 16 2009 @ 09:41 AM
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Originally posted by Obliterated

This caring is for ALL of the "innocents". How many Israeli civilians have been killed by Palestinians in the last 3 weeks? None?

So that would make "ALL of the innocents", Palestinian civilians. Wouldn't it?


And just why do you think there have been no Israeli civilian deaths over the last few weeks.

Jeez, all the wailing over this military action, and finally someone accidentally (and ironically) figures out why it happened in the first place.

If Hamas stops attacking the Israelis, then the Israelis will stop attacking Hamas.

Do we really need 5,000 posts to figure that out?



posted on Jan, 16 2009 @ 09:48 AM
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Ret, and when the Israelis stop killing people the same will happen to them wont it. Or is it a case of you don't give a toss for all none Israelis so they can just be murdered.



posted on Jan, 16 2009 @ 10:54 AM
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These arguments are really quite pointless.

Israel believes that they are fighting for their survival, and that they have the moral high ground. That's really all it takes. That's really all they need. No amount of threats, condemnations, boycotts, protests, whatever....are going to stop them until they feel that their right to exist is intact and that the people that live within their borders are safe from random military and terrorist attacks from their neighbors. When you live in fear and have the moral high ground (in your mind), all else, including the health and welfare of your enemies (including their women and children) are secondary.

Check out these numbers:

393,000+ killed in strategic bombing raids
160,000+ killed in military operations in the outer territories
27,000+ killed in anti-shipping operations against civilian merchant ships

Who are they? Japanese civilians. Old men, women, children, and other non-military personnel. Over half a million civilians killed by the US armed forces and our allies.

Why? Because our existence was threatened and we felt we had the moral high ground. And guess what? No pesky guilty feelings. Israel will always be stronger and superior to the Palestinians and the Arabs. Remove the basis for Israeli fear and anger, and you will see a dramatic change in the Middle East. Unfortunately, the people the Israelis fear are being being born in ignorance, raised to hate, and trained to kill. It is a vicious cycle.



posted on Jan, 16 2009 @ 11:32 PM
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I think to fully understand the situation and who feels that their right to exists you need to look back at when this current situation began...

It started with people being forced out of their homes while people from Europe moved in. They moved into established homes that others had buit and lived in for generations.

If someone came to your front door while at home with your children then held a gun to your head and said get out, God said this is my "promised land" and i am "the chosen people" what would you do?

Would you say..... "ok no worries. I do appologise, here take everything i own, you have a right to exist. I'll just take my family and we go and live happily under a cardboard box."



posted on Jan, 16 2009 @ 11:55 PM
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For the Israelis, it's damned if you do, and doomed if you don't.

Many years ago, a young newspaperman was traveling out West. He was stunned to find that a man was about to be hanged for stealing a horse.

"You would publicly hang a man for stealing a horse?"

"Nope. We're hanging this man so that horses aren't stolen."

In the Middle East, these lessons aren't being learned - don't attack Israel, don't kill Israelis, don't launch rockets at Israel.

This is actually a fight that as is currently fought, one that Israel can't win. At some point, one side or the other is going to be required to absolutely, finally, completely destroy the other.

Otherwise, this will continue until Gabriel blows his horn.

Total destruction, total annihilation - total victory.

To prolong this foolish approach to this conflict is beyond stupidity. One side should go in and kill the population, which is eventually going to happen, before this is over.



[edit on 16-1-2009 by dooper]



posted on Jan, 17 2009 @ 12:01 AM
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Originally posted by dooper

If Israel wanted to kill just to be killing, there would be at least a hundred thousand dead right now.

So this claim of ruthlessness is false.



And Israel wouldn't exist right now, what with all the nukes they'd get hit by.



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