reply to post by Finn1916

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Citizen Investigation Team.

We've uncovered a massive body of independent verifiable evidence exposing the deception at the Pentagon on 9/11.

Mission statement

Most of the evidence is first-hand eyewitness testimony video recorded on-location so we have released this evidence in a series of video presentations all available to view for free here.

Obviously the information we provide makes a lot of people mad at us.

But it's not our fault that the eyewitnesses prove the plane did not hit the Pentagon.

We simply report what they tell us while comparing it with the official data, reports, and physical damage.

And it's not our fault that the government and mainstream media ignore us.

There are a lot of emotions surrounding this extremely important information and the first reaction of many is to blame the messenger.

But we won't stop coming strong with new information and evidence exposing the heinous atrocity and outright holocaust that is the proven fraudulent "war on terror" because that is what we do.

We are asking for help from everyone to break through the psychological stranglehold created from 9/11 and force accountability from the media and authorities.

This is too big to expect "CIT" to carry the burden. We can't do it alone.

reply to post by Craig Ranke CIT

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Cool, thanks for the links and answer, will definately be looking into your group as another source of information, can nver have too much of it.

Perhaps if you were focusing your efforts on presenting your evidence to the government or the mainstream media, it would not seem as though they were "ignoring" you, any more than they "ignore" anything else that they don't cover.

But like others, I'd like to know who (government, media, law-enforcement) you've presented this evidence to and what their response was.

reply to post by jfj123

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Frankly, I don’t have all week to present my research findings. However, if you have done any real research into 911, and research “both” sides of the story, then you would already know. I t is not up to me to do your research for you, that is your job. I have over four years in searching for the truth. Furthermore, it would sicken me if I had spent hours and hours and gave you great scientific evidences that are supported by real science. Nerveless it has nothing to do with our government findings. I would find it a waste of my time only for you to hand wave the facts, because you may have only researched, only the government version of the story.

I thought as much. Everytime someone asks for evidence, this is the typical excuse.
Facts are facts. Opinions are opinions. If you had facts, I would think you'd want them known to get the word out.
The reality is, you have your idea's and opinions but no solid facts to support anything you've said here.
This is again the biggest problem with the truth movement. Chest thumpers claiming to have done all this research and they know all and feel sorry for us little people. The reality is, they have nothing but their own uneducated OPINIONS.
Too bad, I was hoping to learn something other then disdane from you

reply to post by jfj123

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I find this absurd, and the real reality is most of the time, I post sources with facts, maybe you ought to try it sometimes.




You certainly have an imagination, but I believe you have got it all wrong. It is the ones who support the lies that parrot the lies over, and over, and over, and over, and RANT against those who refuse to believe in their delusional reality. These very people do *not* site sources these people only spew anger all the time spewing insults, and ridiculing, everyone who will not believe in the government, and the medias, lies. Everyone that watches my posting knows full well I am not the above!




Uneducated Opinions! This is what I was saying about the ridiculing that you have become so good at. Save your snide childish remarks, for your self, and do some real research in to 911 before you go and insult those that have.



You should not have any real reason to dislike me; I have done nothing to you.
However, if the truth is upsetting for you then maybe you should seek some professional counseling.

reply to post by Gonenuts

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First let me say I don't like nor dislike you. I don't know you to make that decision and would never think that a few posts here would allow me to know you enough to decide whether I like your or not.

That being said,

I've done plenty of research.

I've looked at most of what "truthers" have posted as evidence and it's just opinion.
I keep seeing things like:
"well it looks like....so it must be..."
"I've never seen this happen so it could never happen"
"building this size just don't fall that way"
"There were no planes, just holograms" My personal favorite !!

That's great and all but almost every time I've asked someone to back up what they say with actual fact, they just cite some conspiracy website that says this is the way it is with no science behind it. This I find very frustrating.

Now let me state at this point I'm not one of those people who believe the government is honest and forthright and only has our best interests at heart. Believe me, if I saw anything that looked like they were actually involved in plotting this, I'd be standing right next to you shouting at the top of my lungs, stating we need a new investigation and we need charges brought. Maybe there is that evidence out there but I just haven't seen it yet.

I'll also state that this administration is the most criminal and corrupt in US history as far as I'm concerned. I also believe they're the most incompetent and completely incapable of protecting us let alone plotting against us. I have seen no evidence of the SUPER COMPETENT government that would be required to pull of a coup of this magnitude. And before you start with the whole, that's what "they" want you to think, I can throw that right back at you and say maybe that's what "paranoia" wants you to think.

So once again, can you post any actual evidence here? Not pictures of stuff that might be something that looks like what you think it might.....

reply to post by Craig Ranke CIT

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The "no plane hit the Pentagon" myth is just that. A myth. The reason (if it is true) that the media and government ignore them is simple. It's a laughable theory that can not be taken seriously.

CIT ignores any and all evidence that does not support their theory.

This is why the only evidence they attempt to gather is an hand full of cherry picked witnesses. 3 -6 years after the event.

Although they do not straight out accuse them, CIT is well aware that civilian contractors would have been involved in the cover up. Yes, civilian contractors were and still are involved with the Pentagon renovation project.

The video's released to the public would have shown this flyover/around and it did not. CIT hand waves it and calls the videos faked.

DNA evidence? Faked

Witness statements from first responders? Ignored

Personal belongings? Planted

Thousands of pounds of airplane debris? Planted

Eyewitnesses to the impact? Shills, suspects, and media whores.

FDR? Fake/planted

Phone calls? didn't happen.

My friends, if CIT is in fact getting the cold shoulder from the authorities or media, it should be no surprise. Face it, only a few hard core truthers are buying the snake oil. The majority of the attention they receive is from debunkers.





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reply to post by CameronFox

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That is, by far, the most complete summation of the issues detractors have with the way P4T/CIT conducts their investigations and proposes their findings.

You get a star..

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Thank Cog... do I get my name on the detractors list on Captain Bobs website?

That would be so cool! Since I don't go there, they will have a hard time getting my IP address.

reply to post by jfj123

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I got as far to reading your rant and “lie” and had to stop, obviously, you don’t know the meaning of the word disdane! You have a nice day.

reply to post by jfj123

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I am glad you find all this so amusing, but most people looking for the truth, and do not believe in the OS, do not believe in such garbage, so save your belittling for your self!




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reply to post by Gonenuts

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Why would I lie about liking or disliking you as I don't even know you.

I'm sure you're a nice well meaning person who just needs to relax a bit, take a step back and realize your attitude is only going to lead to high blood pressure.

We're not competing for olympic gold my friend, it's just a conversation on the internet

Actually there are quite a few threads on ATS claiming holographic planes hit the WTC and Pentagon. If you like, I can send you the links.
as example:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
I can find dozens more if you like.


As a matter of fact, a gentleman by the name of John Lear was a huge proponent of the hologram idea. If you don't know who John Lear is, do a quick search on ATS and WIKI and you'll find out. He's the son of the founder of LEAR Corporation.

reply to post by jfj123

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Well I do not believe in the OS, and I do not believe in the hologram garbage, or the no plane garbage. So please do not refer me to all those people. I do not believe in disinfo lies. You do not know what I believe in. So stop putting everyone who doses not believe in your lies, in to the hologram and no plane category. Shame on you!

That's fine. I don't completely subscribe to the Official Story myself.


Good for you as it's an absurd idea.


Good for you as this is also an absurd idea.


I haven't
I mentioned it, you brought it up again, I was responding.


Good for your. Neither do I.


Then please tell me so there is no confusion on my part. thanks.



Please show me where I've done this. If you can't maybe you should try not over reacting and aplogize Just a suggestion.

Also, if you were to be a bit less confrontational and a bit more personable, maybe people would take you a bit more seriously.

reply to post by jfj123

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I think I have proven my point maybe you might want to apologize to me and everyone in here for lying, and insulting people who are looking and asking question in the truth movement.

Also if you were a little less smug, and a bit more honest, and personable, then perhaps people might take you more seriously.

And with all that, you've proven nothing. Show me where I've lied like you've claimed. I'll save you the time...you can't

Stop making things up and be honest when posting.

I haven't lied about anything

But of course you're welcome to try and prove it if you can )))

reply to post by jfj123

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What is wrong with you! It has been proven! Is your head buried so deep in the sand that you can’t pull it out?



OMG! I cant believe I am reading this childish rant! I thought you where an adult, I am so sorry my bad, I made a mistake I thought I was having a discussion with an adult.
I feel very bad if I have insulted you in anyway. I do not hurt children or their feelings because they have so much to understand. But, my apology, I will not bother you again.



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Craig,
I have heard you refer to yourself as a journalist as well as an investigator.
You seem to get rather defensive when asked who you have approached with your evidence.
We all remember what a great job you did on the Howard Stern Show
www.youtube.com...
Why do you get so defensive about this YET YOU KEEP BRINGING UP how you are "obsessed" with seeking justice.
You posted so over at LCF



I dont get it.
You would think one would be proud so speak of the varous media outlets that you have contacted.
IN FACT you seemed rather proud to start thread after thread when you were on the HS wrap up show and the OC Weekly BUT you get very very heated and confrontational when asked what other media/law enforcement/courts, ets that you have contacted.
From the beginning of the CIT you promised court action, grand juries, etc.
What happened Criag?