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reply posted on 13-1-2009 @ 04:13 PM by SPreston
posted by adam_zapple
Just what the topic asks....CIT claims to have PROOF of a "military deception" on 9/11, yet thus far they have refused to take their evidence to any authorities. No trials, no grand juries, just CIT arguing back & forth on message boards. Is this where it ends or are you guys going to fight to get the real perpetrators punished?

I created this thread so CIT can post a list of all of the authorities, law enforcement officers, attorneys, ETc that they have presented their evidence to and what the result was. If their goal is justice, we should see quite a long list.


It is really none of your business if, when, where, or with who or which authorities CIT and any other 9-11 Truthers are taking their evidence and witnesses to, since you are considered on the other side, or the enemy if you will. You and your partners in evading justice are certainly not to be trusted with privileged information.

To present our plans or legal procedures to our enemies would be foolish, as any good attorney would tell you. Why give you or any other government loyalist or disinfo artist the opportunity to sabotage or otherwise interfere with our chances at obtaining justice for the innocent victims of 9-11? Do not assume you are fooling anybody with your frantic attempts at obsfuscation of the evidence and witness interviews or desperate denial of the original and necessary changing script of the Pentagon OFFICIAL STORY. Despite the constant denials of an official storyline in the 9-11 fantasy tale, anybody with more than half a brain knows for a fact that indeed there is a 9-11 OFFICIAL STORY and it was set by the 9-11 perpetrators live on TV the morning of 9-11 and since then by the totally controlled Mainstream News Media and the Bush Regime and their propaganda organs such as Popular Mechanics, Integrated Consultants, the 9-11 Whitewash Committee, and NIST, among many others.

You do not know what legal measures CIT nor Pilots for 9/11 Truth nor Veterans for 9/11 Truth nor Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth nor the Muslim-Jewish-Christian Alliance for 9/11 Truth nor any other organization within the 9/11 Truth Movement have taken with the authorites to date nor is CIT or anybody else required to inform you. Figure it out for yourself or if you are truly interested in justice; take it to the authorities yourself. Your feigned indignation simply displays your baldfaced hypocrisy for all openminded persons on ATS to see for themselves.



[edit on 1/13/09 by SPreston]


reply posted on 13-1-2009 @ 04:44 PM by Craig Ranke CIT
Originally posted by SPreston

You do not know what CIT has done with the authorites to date nor is CIT required to inform you.


Precisely.

Even though this topic already exists
here and again here and therefore will hopefully be locked I'll give the same answer that I often give every time I am pestered for an answer to this question.

We HAVE gone to both media and authorities both local and federal and we will continue to work hard to force them to acknowledge this critical evidence as long as they continue to avoid and ignore it.

Naturally the fact that they have chosen to ignore it has no bearing on the veracity of the evidence.

We are grateful to places like ATS that provide a forum for us to present and discuss this critical information.

The fact that the mainstream media and authorities are reluctant to even entertain evidence of a world wide psychological war crime that has permanently altered global politics and world history implicating the very people that employ them shouldn't be surprising.

As far as litigation goes, we aren't fooling ourselves here and we don't expect that we can simply sue George Bush regardless of the validity of the evidence given the enormous implications.

While we are certainly not opposed to the idea and would be willing to participate in any grand jury, lawsuit, or congressional hearing we simply don't have the resources to personally launch such an endeavor as we are merely a couple of regular guys with day jobs trying to get by.


reply posted on 13-1-2009 @ 04:46 PM by adam_zapple
Originally posted by SPreston
posted by adam_zapple
Just what the topic asks....CIT claims to have PROOF of a "military deception" on 9/11, yet thus far they have refused to take their evidence to any authorities. No trials, no grand juries, just CIT arguing back & forth on message boards. Is this where it ends or are you guys going to fight to get the real perpetrators punished?

I created this thread so CIT can post a list of all of the authorities, law enforcement officers, attorneys, ETc that they have presented their evidence to and what the result was. If their goal is justice, we should see quite a long list.


It is really none of your business if, when, where, or with who or which authorities CIT and any other 9-11 Truthers are taking their evidence and witnesses to, since you are considered on the other side, or the enemy if you will. You and your partners in evading justice are certainly not to be trusted with privileged information.

To present our plans or legal procedures to our enemies would be foolish, as any good attorney would tell you. Why give you or any other government loyalist or disinfo artist the opportunity to sabotage or otherwise interfere with our chances at obtaining justice for the innocent victims of 9-11? Do not assume you are fooling anybody with your frantic attempts at obsfuscation of the evidence and witness interviews or desperate denial of the original and necessary changing script of the Pentagon OFFICIAL STORY. Despite the constant denials of an official storyline in the 9-11 fantasy tale, anybody with more than half a brain knows for a fact that indeed there is a 9-11 OFFICIAL STORY and it was set by the 9-11 perpetrators live on TV the morning of 9-11 and since then by the totally controlled Mainstream News Media and the Bush Regime and their propaganda organs such as Popular Mechanics, Integrated Consultants, the 9-11 Whitewash Committee, and NIST, among many others.

You do not know what legal measures CIT nor Pilots for 9/11 Truth nor Veterans for 9/11 Truth nor Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth nor the Muslim-Jewish-Christian Alliance for 9/11 Truth nor any other organization within the 9/11 Truth Movement have taken with the authorites to date


Court cases are a matter of public record, so if they HAD done anything, you would have no reason to keep it a secret.

Originally posted by SPreston nor is CIT or anybody else required to inform you. Figure it out for yourself or if you are truly interested in justice;


Already looked....no cases exist. At least Judy wood actually filed one...so did Kevin Ryan. Nothing from CIT or PFT though.


Originally posted by SPrestontake it to the authorities yourself. Your feigned indignation simply displays your baldfaced hypocrisy for all openminded persons on ATS to see for themselves.

[edit on 1/13/09 by SPreston]


Hypocrisy? When someone says they have PROOF that the government killed hundreds of people and yet they fail to take this evidence to a court, THAT is hypocrisy. If I believed that I had such I wouldn't spend any time arguing with my enemies online...I would be getting justice.

Seems like you guys ought to be concentrating on getting that court case ready to go instead of spending all of your days and nights arguing with people on the internet who you consider your "enemy".....that is....if justice is the goal. What does it matter what we think, anyways? Your behaviors make it seem like you're more interested in an internet popularity contest than you are in justice.


reply posted on 13-1-2009 @ 04:48 PM by adam_zapple
Originally posted by Craig Ranke CIT
Originally posted by SPreston

You do not know what CIT has done with the authorites to date nor is CIT required to inform you.


Precisely.

Even though this topic already exists
here and again here and therefore will hopefully be locked I'll give the same answer that I often give every time I am pestered for an answer to this question.

We HAVE gone to both media and authorities both local and federal and we will continue to work hard to force them to acknowledge this critical evidence as long as they continue to avoid and ignore it.

Naturally the fact that they have chosen to ignore it has no bearing on the veracity of the evidence.


Why don't you provide a list of the federal and local authorities to which you've gone to? If they've chosen to ignore what you presented then there is no reason for you to withhold this information.

Edit: Before you refuse claiming that you don't want people like me to sabotage your efforts...I'm only asking for the names of those who have REFUSED to act on the information you've presented...therefore since you've already received a negative response, there's no reason no to call them out.

[edit on 13-1-2009 by adam_zapple]


reply posted on 15-1-2009 @ 03:19 PM by jfj123
reply to post by SPreston



yet you and other CT'ers freely discuss your opinions about "what really happened" on ATS constantly.

If you really meant that CT'ers shouldn't share info with "the enemy" (pause for sinister music), then you wouldn't be giving the enemy your positions, opinions, etc.. here which according to you would allow them to use your own info against you.

Facts are facts.
If CT'ers really had any facts, they'd be contacting agencies left and right.


reply posted on 15-1-2009 @ 04:52 PM by Gonenuts
reply to post by jfj123


Facts are facts.
If CT'ers really had any facts, they'd be contacting agencies left and right.


They have! Who told you they have not?


reply posted on 15-1-2009 @ 05:12 PM by jfj123
Originally posted by Gonenuts
reply to
post by jfj123


Facts are facts.
If CT'ers really had any facts, they'd be contacting agencies left and right.


They have! Who told you they have not?



Sorry, maybe I missed the area's where the CT'ers have posted what agencies they've contacted and with what proof and what responses they received.
Would you kindly point me in the direction of those posts on this thread? Thanks !



reply posted on 15-1-2009 @ 07:11 PM by Gonenuts
reply to post by jfj123



Sorry, maybe I missed the area's where the CT'ers have posted what agencies they've contacted and with what proof and what responses they received.
Would you kindly point me in the direction of those posts on this thread? Thanks


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reply posted on 15-1-2009 @ 10:10 PM by pteridine
reply to post by Gonenuts



It is not clear why people are asking for a new investigation. Many may not necessarily subscribe to any conspiracy, but may feel that the investigation was not done rigorously. I also note the sources.

In your exterior sources you posed a Jones quote

Steven Jones writes: The 116th peer-reviewed paper was published today in the Journal of 9/11 Studies: “The Missing Jolt: A Simple Refutation of the NIST-Bazant Collapse Hypothesis,” by Prof. Graeme MacQueen and Tony Szamboti journalof911studies.com... This fine paper underwent several months of rather arduous peer-review ...

I would question the value of such a paper because the Journal of 911 studies is published by Jones' organization and the papers published almost exclusively support Jones' position. It would seem to need extra review when we see the primary author is a retired Canadian theology professor [Graeme MacQueen, PhD – Associate Professor of Religious Studies and founding Director, Centre for Peace Studies, McMaster University (ret).] The coauthor claims to be a mechanical engineer who has written on the Kennedy conspiracy.
If Jones is to have any legitimacy to his claims at all, he will have to publish a paper in a non-captive journal subject to actual peer review.


reply posted on 16-1-2009 @ 01:26 AM by Gonenuts
reply to post by pteridine



I do not disagree with you, and you are right, but so fare no one has wrote anything to disprove Jones Hypothesis. I find it more credible, than what the government has given us and theirs does not stand up to simple science.


reply posted on 16-1-2009 @ 07:44 AM by jfj123
Originally posted by Gonenuts
reply to
post by pteridine



I do not disagree with you, and you are right, but so fare no one has wrote anything to disprove Jones Hypothesis. I find it more credible, than what the government has given us and theirs does not stand up to simple science.


Could you please post the simple science here? I'd appreciate it.
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