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Caylee Anthony Case: The shovel and the pavers

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posted on Jan, 22 2009 @ 05:29 AM
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Just wanted let you guys know that I have been dedicating my spare time to creating an exhaustive time line with links to all evidence released, etc. I'm aiming to have it completed as soon as possible so that it is available prior to the trial. One thing I'd like to point out on working on this is that even though I have read every single page of released evidence from day one (which is some where around 1500 pages now), it wasn't until I started putting everything together by day that I saw how Casey wasn't just living a lie...she was living about 13 of them.

It's totally bizarre.

Anyway, when I get that done I'll put it in a new thread as basically a Pre-trial evidence thread.

[edit on 1-22-2009 by Valhall]




posted on Jan, 22 2009 @ 11:28 AM
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Thanks for your time and efforts Valhall. I will be looking forward to reading your thread.

I think you're right about the extent of Cayce's lies. For one so young to have spun such a web of deceit tells me she has been at it for sometime. A real case study.

Verylowfrequency mentions the "death decoration" as sending a message to those finding Caylee. Very strange indeed why add the heart on top of something as gruesome as duct tape wrapped around a child's mouth? Love and tenderness after the fact? After death why not remove the duct tape first if the heart was meant as a "loving gesture?" The heart sticker being placed on top of the duct tape just seems too odd and twisted to signify tenderness. Unless it was done in haste.



posted on Jan, 22 2009 @ 11:42 AM
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Oh yeah. I forgot why I came back to this thread one last time.
This thread makes me think there should be an "Unsolved Crimes" forum on ATS. God knows there are always a half dozen or more unsolved mysteries in the news on a regular basis. And thats not including some old historical cases as well.


I hope you suggest this - in fact, please suggest this! Would be an awesome add on to ATS!

This thread goes to prove what a great mind and terrier like determination can do - and I mean that as a compliment!

Valhall I hope you send this on to someone like Nancy Grace (as was suggested).

A-1 Post! S&F!

peace

I hope



posted on Jan, 23 2009 @ 05:37 AM
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George Anthony disappeared Thursday morning and they found him last night in a motel in Daytona. He had become suicidal. They have him in protective custody to perform a psych evaluation.

I feel bad for this guy...what a nightmare to have to live through.

www.wftv.com...#-

[edit on 1-23-2009 by Valhall]



posted on Jan, 23 2009 @ 06:33 AM
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Originally posted by Valhall

Originally posted by ll__raine__ll
i enjoyed your thread about your house and read the whole thing from 2003 till just yesterday.

but i don't think you should be dissecting caylee anthony's case on these boards before its even gotten to trial.


Don't confuse the requirement that the legal system must treat Casey as innocent until proven guilty as a prohibition against me, a member of the general populace unattached to the legal proceedings, being able to formulate an opinion of her guilt or innocence based on discovery released to the public. In other words, based on the evidence released through the Sunshine Law, I think the cow killed her baby.


what's the point of wasting your tax dollars on a fair trial then? why not just hang the "cow" now cause it seems like you've got it all figured out and have reached a verdict.

a verdict you're publishing on the www and quite possibly tainting her jury pool with.



posted on Jan, 23 2009 @ 07:01 AM
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Well, raine, I have three things to respond to that:

1. If I can't have an opinion and state it in public without destroying the entire U.S. Legal system, then we're due for a new system.

2. If you can't stomach this thread and my opinion, you are cordially invited to stay away from it.

3. If you'd like to present some evidence to try to change my mind, you're more than welcome to do so, but your whining about how you don't agree with my opinion, without presenting anything to change my mind - it aint nothing but white noise.



[edit on 1-23-2009 by Valhall]



posted on Jan, 23 2009 @ 07:12 AM
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is there any point if you're going to be so defensive and rude?

i wasn't saying the mother is innocent. it doesn't sound very good for her ... that's for sure.

on the other hand i've seen someone tried and hung by the media (we are the media here too) and as it turned out we were fed a bunch of bs and totally manipulated.

it happens.



posted on Jan, 23 2009 @ 07:26 AM
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I agree with you on that raine. I believe the media has for a long time forgotten their place on many issues. Whether just a mere citizen's trial, or a high-level politician's quandry. The media makes news now, they don't report it. And through this case, they have continued to do that.

I'm not the media though. I'm a citizen, who is addicted to this case and just as when OJ was found innocent, I'll be sitting here accepting the call of 12 jurors when it is all said and done. And just as with OJ, once the trial occurs, and all the evidence has been presented, I will still formulate my own opinion as to her guilt or innocence, and it may not agree with the jury's call.

I've been very careful to make sure that I'm clear that I'm only voicing my personal opinion as to whether she killed Caylee...and I've also made sure to give evidence of why my opinion is that.

As I stated, I'm working on a compendium of all evidence presented to date, and collecting that information in a timeline. I will put that information in a separate thread that will be for the purpose of following the evidence (both defense and prosecution - although the defense has not shared yet any of its evidence...but when they do I will include it) unconnected to any theories I have about the case.

I'm not defensive if you disagree with me, but to continue to beat the horse that you don't agree with me discussing my opinion on this case doesn't really add any information on the subject - i.e. evidence to point one way or the other about the case. I have noted your objection to me discussing my opinion. I have tried to be cordial about it, but if you continue to just come back and state that over and over, I'm not sure what constructive things I can respond with. You have the right to think I'm wrong, just like I have the right to think Casey is guilty. That's about all I can give on that.

[edit on 1-23-2009 by Valhall]



posted on Jan, 23 2009 @ 07:43 AM
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we disagree.
alrighty then.



posted on Jan, 23 2009 @ 08:14 AM
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I for one am intrigued by all the work you have been doing. Congratulations - I have also been spending months reading every item on this case - this and the Natalee Holloway case. They have similarities in as much as both "potentially" guilty parties have shown true psychopathology and have parents who are standing behind them no matter how many times they lie and act in sociopathic ways, the parents still insist they are victims of the media and public in general.

I can hardly wait to read your final analysis. You go Girl



posted on Jan, 23 2009 @ 08:55 AM
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Originally posted by Valhall
George Anthony disappeared Thursday morning and they found him last night in a motel in Daytona. He had become suicidal. They have him in protective custody to perform a psych evaluation.

I feel bad for this guy...what a nightmare to have to live through.

www.wftv.com...#-

[edit on 1-23-2009 by Valhall]


It will be interesting to hear the details on this "alleged" suicide attempt. For all we know, this was a meeting he had with the FBI or 'someone'. If Cayce has been part of child pornography or child sexual abuse, we may have heard more evidence by now. But the fact that Caylee was skeletonized may have squashed part of that. First Cayce was asking for immunity, then George and Cindy? This may include many more people than we realize. (Disney World?) But if there were any threats against these people's lives, I think they would have come forward even sooner. Maybe they all have had their script to follow.

George may actually be suicidal as if feeling responsible as the head of the family and his previous knowledge in this field and instincts were ignored. But if he had NOT actually known where either Cayce or Caylee were, he would have more likely done his job as a homicide detective by instinct. As a detective, I would think he would have already known many things about his daughter's habits. Having her date police officers seems to be some attempt to minimize exposure and in some way control her. Cayce should have also been committed if all of this is true.

One way or another, this whole thing seems to come back to George and his duties as a husband, father, grandfather, and law enforcement. But the suggested history by many in this field of : "We protect our own" seems very strong here. I would hope that this isn't the worst case scenario, but Cayce may have originally been a victim all along and feared for her life in a world where those who are supposed to protect you do not and cannot.

If Cayce has been a life long victim of child sexual abuse, I would think that there's 'physical evidence' with her as well.


This web still seems much bigger than it should have been.

[edit on 23-1-2009 by aleon1018]



posted on Jan, 23 2009 @ 09:04 AM
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My humble opinion is that George is falling apart. He was supposed to be the big man who protected his family from bad things happening to them. And despite all his instincts he kept following his delusional wife's statements that Caylee was alive and that Casey was innocent. On some level that must have been a comforting fantasy that anybody in those circumstances would want to believe despite the ever mounting evidence against a happy ending to this case. So with the final evidence ( Caylee's skeletal remains) his whole framework of reference fell apart - his grand daughter is dead (murdered), his daughter seems like the obvious culprit of this heinous crime, his delusional wife continues in like fashion to her equally deluded daughter to sell fantasies, his whole family under suspicion and they are all publicly humiliated for potentially colluding with Casey. I can definitely see how he could become suicidal.

[edit on 23-1-2009 by Mynaeris]



posted on Jan, 23 2009 @ 09:23 AM
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Valhall, I just stumbled upon this thread and will return to read all later. Looks good!
I don't read murder mysteries, but once in a while a case hits the news with pathologies (as mentioned by aleon1018 and Mynaeris) that draw me in. I watched/read all I could about the Scott and Lacy Peterson case, for example.



posted on Jan, 23 2009 @ 04:07 PM
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Originally posted by aleon1018

Originally posted by Valhall
George Anthony disappeared Thursday morning and they found him last night in a motel in Daytona. He had become suicidal. They have him in protective custody to perform a psych evaluation.

I feel bad for this guy...what a nightmare to have to live through.

www.wftv.com...#-

[edit on 1-23-2009 by Valhall]


It will be interesting to hear the details on this "alleged" suicide attempt. For all we know, this was a meeting he had with the FBI or 'someone'. If Cayce has been part of child pornography or child sexual abuse, we may have heard more evidence by now. But the fact that Caylee was skeletonized may have squashed part of that. First Cayce was asking for immunity, then George and Cindy? This may include many more people than we realize. (Disney World?) But if there were any threats against these people's lives, I think they would have come forward even sooner. Maybe they all have had their script to follow.


George wrote an 8 page suicide letter. In it he states he is proud of how strong Casey has been and that he does not believe she hurt Caylee. They have hospitalized him now.



posted on Jan, 23 2009 @ 04:22 PM
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I had only seen the one lawyer earlier and they cut him off for the governer of Illinois. I hadn't yet heard any details of the letter. I thought it was odd the lawyer said George had this letter and pictures of his wife and daughter, but didn't mention Lee. Sadly the lawyer apparently has his own issues to deal with. I wonder if this will be the bombshell? idk



posted on Jan, 23 2009 @ 06:18 PM
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Originally posted by aleon1018
I had only seen the one lawyer earlier and they cut him off for the governer of Illinois. I hadn't yet heard any details of the letter. I thought it was odd the lawyer said George had this letter and pictures of his wife and daughter, but didn't mention Lee. Sadly the lawyer apparently has his own issues to deal with. I wonder if this will be the bombshell? idk


WFTV is reporting that George praised his son, Lee and stated how proud he was that Lee had become such a good man.

This deal with George is heart-wrenching.



posted on Jan, 23 2009 @ 06:31 PM
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We still don't know everything about these people. George was a homicide detective? did he retire sooner than he had too? idk But I would think he would have had better insight throughout this. I don't know what it's like to be him, but I can only imagine that I couldn't have handled this myself. I would have been a nervous wreck and in the hospital long ago.(only because I have anyway) Cayce has obvious personality issues for whatever reasons. Sadly, people will still want to see all of this made into a movie like "Monster."

I have a feeling that George was trying to flush someone out. idk



posted on Jan, 24 2009 @ 10:21 AM
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I noticed one of the recent tabloids claims that Cayce has AIDS. I don't know, does it really matter at this point? Would they or her refuse treatment? idk. HIV is one thing, AIDS means that she's been an active carrier for awhile. That could mean that many of her former johns?/lovers may also be positive if they weren't careful. She appears too healthy to have AIDS. Maybe she's been on medication for awhile? idk. I don't usually believe or buy tabloids anyway. Her having an STD should come as no surpise either.



posted on Jan, 25 2009 @ 09:32 PM
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I got my thread created on the timeline and evidence to date.

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Jan, 25 2009 @ 09:48 PM
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These child sacrafice things always get weirded out. I'm surprised many are so addicted to Nancy Grace going on day in and day out ad nauseum about this case. Like it was some kinda who done it soap opera. They play on your psychic emotions folks. The more you watch and pay attention to it..the stronger they become and the weaker and more blind you become..Just a friggin fact.

Makes me sick


Heres the deal.

They never did closure on Jon Benet nor did they ever close the Natalie Holloway thing entirely.

You have 2 parents hooking up romantically from these cases. The dad of Jon Benet hooking up with the mom of Natalie Holloway. Come on people
Yet people just look the other way as if its normal or coincidental.

Awhile back they said Vandersloot was into underground sex industry as is many power elites in what I like to call Dutcheaism. The friggin black pope Hans Van Kolvenbach the Jesuit General is Dutch for christs sake but then again so are the Van Halens right?
Sorry..I'm digressing.


What you all need to realize is yes there are conspiracies and they are more horrifying than you can possibly imagine. Occult sacrafices...killing children...and in a real way harnessing alot of energy and power from the sacrafices is indeed taking place.

Oh well...maybe most of you thinking i sound schizophrenic saves me each night from being hauled away and disappeared. So be my guest...think what you want. I'm simply telling you what is, not my opinion.



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