Only the armored character would be offended by natural sexual behavior or would imply morality in sexual behavior. So violence takes place most regularly in those that supress these natural energies, these people are often thought of as being "uptight", they have lost the ability to express natural unconscious physical behavior. If one has to calculate the way one behaves they will then have to think about such behavior and repress it, that creates in the long and short neurosis and psychosis. Most of the superstitious and violent behavior in the world stems from sexual repression. In muslim societies people can be easily sexually repressed when they are not allowed acces to sexual materials, the religions of the world play a part in condeming natural sexual behavior.

The more armoured the society the more war like and repressed the women are. The less armoured and the more expressive the people are and the more female orientated the behavior, if women want to make films having sex they are not punished nor hurt for merely desiring to share themselves with whomever they want. We in America are borderline, I suppose. We tend to have some repression and some expression, not as dirty as europeans but still less repressed than the middle east or Asian peoples. They have centuries of conditioning but their walls have started to come down, much of the bally hoo suggested that 911 was for us spreading these freedoms across the globe.

Naturally people that are sick will blow themselves up to put a stop to the spread of porn to their cultures especially if they have a racket and control over women established, where women are treated more like property and not able to sell themselves in the open societies of the US and EU. In some instances in the US their are still repressive puritan impulses, but they have been mostly overwhelmed by science and the rights of women.

Originally posted by cybertroy
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Darn.. I thought "Before you watch more porn, you need to know this" mean't that you had some tips on how to enjoy it better.

Anyways. I think porn has some pros and cons, much like any hobby or degrading thing does.

pros:
keeps the explorative perverts in their homes and not in the bars
provides safe cheap sexual thrills for college boys with no time for socializing
provides safe cheap sexual thrills for college girls with no time for socializing
provides safe cheap sexual thrills for college shemales with no time for socializing
relatively "Guilt-free" as you can repeat it discretly
caters to many different "flavours"
you can find what you need without leaving your chair

cons:
sometimes leads to exploitation of certain cohorts of people that might be illegally particating or otherwise forced into it
can seem "gross" to people who think its still the year 1500
sometimes is difficult to find exactly what you need


and on a side note, i know various couples that watch porn together, and I know of a few females that watch porn by themselves. everything the aformentioned people watch is legal meat and potatoes kind of stuff, if you think it's degrading, go find out how much these girls who otherwise have no education or real experience, make.

the guys make jack on the movies (200 bucks a scene).. women make ALOT, yes it hurts them, but if you gave me $20,000 for 15 minutes of "pushups" I might sign the papers.

In response I just have to bring up the fact that today I drove past a road crew working in the cold rain. One of the guys was NOT enjoying it a bit. He looked cold and wet, and yes emotionally unhappy. I could tell that he was forced to do what he was doing because IT WAS THE JOB HE CHOSE!

The last time I checked it was illegal to force anyone in America to make a porn video. Yes, some people's life circumstances make that their most viable access to cash, but at the end of the day it was a decision made by them.

I worked with a girl at an airline loading bags. She got a part time job stripping to save for school. She made more in two days of stripping than we made all week loading bags. Then she made ONE movie - 4 hours of film time and paid for a YEAR of college tuition. Last I heard from her she had just finished her Masters in Psychology.

Good alternative to porn = erotica stories.

Personally I don't think porn is right, but I do think it is enjoyable... Erotica is more morally okay, maybe, and slightly less enjoyable. But I think that's okay, erotica is sweet and people usually don't get forced to participate, no STDs, etc. The pay is worse but result is better in the long run.

There are a heck of a lot more brutal and dangerous jobs that men perform on a much larger scale for a whole lot less money. If you want to talk about physical abuse, you could look to the construction industry, manufacturing, fishing, meat processing, working on an aircraft carrier, being a soldier, ect.. I would say it is far more brutal to force a child to work 12 hour days, six an seven days a week making tennis shoes. Try picking fruit for a season. Get a job in a steel mill.

A great many people risk life and limb on a regular basis just to make a living. These people who go into porn go into it for the money. They could all get different jobs, but they chose porn. Considering what many people are expected to do for a living, to start a cause for porn stars is ridiculous. Sounds like most protesters are people who just think that watching pornography is wrong, and don't really care about the people who work in the industry.

People should be more worried about child access to porn instead of how the actors feel.

Christian Fundamentalist Outlet...

I don't subscribe to their black and white truths.

In every aspect of life there is good, bad and everything in between, so it would be astute to assume that, yes, there are those in the porn industry that are there under duress, although I would suspect that this is far more common in certain other countries where females are considered a lesser being with fewer, if any, personal rights. I'm sure that all the pro porn posts would happily agree that watching a 10 yr old Indian girl being forced into sex by several guys whilst being filmed is not the porn they are describing and is very much at the "bad" end of the spectrum and COMPLETELY unrelated to watching Jenna do Tito Ortiz. Would that be the Ultimate F****** Championship?

At the dawn of humanity, sex came first, sex for money came very shortly afterwards, is this due to "man" wanting to pay for it, or perhaps due to the fact that "woman" soon found out that "man" WOULD pay for it? Either way it's an exchange of energy, a deal, some deals are better than others, however, they remain "deals". If your signing a contract to "star" in a porn movie then one would assume you know what your getting into, for whatever reason. Some people endure extreme hardship, abuse, injury or possible death to simply pay the bills and put food on the table. Playing sausage for large amounts of money has its benefits.

Having sex in the world is natural, porn is simply a story to embellish the act, a little like religion and their bibles, if porn had been responsible for as many cases of torture, rape, abuse, slavery and murder as the bible has, then of course, I for one would never watch it and hence the reason why I am an Atheist and would not even enter a church, yet how many around the world turn up on a Sunday to worship, irrelevant of the atrocities.

To this end I would have to suggest that porn is more acceptable than religion. Now there's a thread to start a real debate!!

hey dude i like porn. when my girlfriend is a being a bitch or on the rag i can always rely on the good old free internet porn. i know its not real, but thats the whole point. so stop pissing on my cheerios.

The actors have a choice not to do it and you have a choice not to watch it so wares the issue. If I don't like my job I find a new one same with the porn actors. They are there by choice.

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i dont really get into debates or conversations here on ats anymore on subjects like this cuz im tired of the back and forth moronic childish arguing that ends up happening, so to be honest not even sure if this thread has already gone this route yet as i dont waste time reading all the responses on these subjects anymore

just wanted to say, i agree with your 1st post completely and its truly amazing how today with all the bs laws that we have that porn is not considered prostitution

i dont care about what anyone says or argues, i feel its prostitution and you're completely right


just wanted to say that cuz its how i feel and didnt want you to feel alone in your intelligent thoughts

deny and ignore the ignorance that im sure will happen or has already happened on a post like this


eventually when things get really bad enough we will either all be completely screwed or people will come to their senses and realize whats really happening but for now its a waste of time trying to change anyones mind

It’s easy to imagine that exploitation leads to widespread abuses and victimization in the pornography business. While making, distributing and selling certain types of pornography is legal it is primarily an undertaking of organized criminal syndicates that run the industry.

It would be hard for porno actors and actresses to not be aware that they are getting involved in and with a hardcore criminal element to varying degrees. Many of the less notable actors and actresses initially pursue pornography in a prostitution for cash, but just as often prostitution for narcotics order. Most will not have the looks or talent to warrant being hired for more than a lone or handful of small budget films. Often the criminal element engaged in their hiring for the film(s) will then incorporate them into less glamorous and less lucrative prostitution/escort rings or as a drug courier, or possibly dealer/retailer. Runaway and throwaway teens do often find the money, sex, pseudo glamour and intrigue appealing when they are predetermined to pursue a street type of life. It is important to understand that many delinquent teens routinely reject offers of outreach programs to help them off and away from the streets and favor instead the lure of easier and bigger money to be had in criminal and fringe endeavors.

Many other actors and actresses are amateurs whose passion for sex and sexual fetishes draws them to the exhibitionistic element of erotic sexual performance. These people are often college educated, married in open unions, and middle aged and are hardly being exploited by any stretch of the imagination as they determinedly look for opportunities and avenues to be sexually adventurous and satiated.

Morality simply should not be legislated. Keeping cigarette advertisements off of race cars is a good idea, but if people choose to smoke of their own accord, well it is a choice they should be entitled to make. Arguably most everything any individual does has some type of negative impact on some portion of humanity, nature, or the environment or economy are combination of them. Even the most innocent and inconsequential of acts might be morally offensive to someone based on their perspective of what or who is being negatively impacted by the act.

When morality is legislated it steepens that slippery slide to dictatorship, repression, denial, stagnation and regression and humanity suffers for the attempt to stifle freewill.

The best way to combat exploitation is simply to make the individual choice not to personally be a part of it. It’s why I don’t shop in Wal-Mart and won’t fly on a commercial airline and have to first be herded through a draconian security process designed to evoke fear and paranoia.

Sometimes what seems like exploitation is simply the beholder’s inability to appreciate how the process of freewill could arrive at such a different perspective and inclination in another unique and distinctly different and separate human being.