I personally find no need to watch porn.

Why watch it when I can make my own.


Like Howard Dean said...


YEEHAWWW

Yes a lot of people a re forced into the porn industry, not so much in America and the UK but certainly in lots of areas around the world. Someone at work showed me a video on their phone of a russian woman being viscously beaten with a cain so that her skin blistered into big red whelts, there is no way she chose that life path for herself.

Does that mean all porn is bad? of course not! We are a very complex biomechanical machine which has evolved systems to ensure we propagate the species, lust has been vital to our survival but now it's a confusing emotion. At certain times in a males life he goes through massive spikes in the chemicals that create lust, if ignored these can really screw up the mechanics of the brain and stop people thinking clearly -even turn rational people crazy, delusional and violent. Masterbation mimics the biological process of sex, the somatic nervous system and the autonomic nervous system go through the same cycles and the system is flushed with hormones (hence the sudden change in emotion often experienced after ejeculation)

If one was to want to investigate his own mind then sexual stimulation would be a very vital part of that study, it's no freak that the same people who wrote the Vedic books of knowledge also gave us some of the best sex manuals in history. Meditation is only one way of changing the hormonal balance of the body, as much can be learned from stimulation as with mental detachment or mental focus.

I would go as far to say the taboo against masterbation is an age old conspiracy (Abraham's religions, etc) to stop the peasant workers understanding themselves well enough to think for themselves. Then again like all things that involve the brain, it's easy to get confused and create problems for yourself when you start tinkering - driven people often burn out, moral people are often ineffective, popular people turn neurotic, cronic masterbaters get addicted to WoW -maybe they did have our best interests in mind, now we are wiser maybe we can afford to peek over the line and experiment a little

So, if porn is part of life and here to stay how can we the people try and stop poor desperate people getting abused? Well apart from the obvious 'we can't' we could try to destroy the market for immoral porn, how do we do this? Well for a start we could not consume porn from questionable places, immoral people or horrible corporate outlets.

The second more fun bit, we could make it ourselves and share it with others over sites such as [snip] [snip] has a massive database (like youtube) of user created content (pictures and videos) which are free to view and they also have an pay section for users videos where they spit the revenue between the creator and the host (themselves). If enough people uploaded their own porn and a large community develops offering free porn the evil gang bosses that force women into the sex trade wouldn't be able to make any money so wouldn't bother.

So, Women - if you care about the plight of your sisters in sex slavery rings around the world forced to perform lewd acts to pay off a huge debt the gangsters have forced upon them then the only solution is to flood the market with high quality, 'fair trade' porn - hehe and not only is it a moral duty, it's fun too



Mod Edit - removed reference to site that violates T&C's.

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Originally posted by cybertroy
I was posting on one of the "porn industry bailout" threads, becoming more aware of the filth that is porn.

PORN is filth, I am glad that you researched PORN inorder too obtain an opinion.

I used to think before, "hey, it's ok. It's just sex, it's natural." Something like that. Then, yesterday, I started looking more into the porn industries abuse of women, and pretty much the degradation of both men and women.

In other words "I started thinking, hang on a sec, these chicks don't seem too like it! and that guy could pass for a donkey! and what is with that really bad music? Something just isn't right here"

Before, I somehow thought some of these porn actors enjoyed the pain of things like hard sex. That may be the case for some, but many of the women just don't enjoy it. In fact, you may be hurt by some of the stories of abuse that have occurred in the porn industry.

Yeah well, you can be hurt in any industry, I think you maybe watching some different type of PORN, but I would like too see some references pertaining too this 'abuse'.

When you watch a porn, this is what you pretty much see, a pretty smiling girl covered in man goo.

Not all of them are pretty. 'Man Goo'? How old are you?

She smiles, but much of the time it's fake. You think she enjoys this. You don't see the pain, well actually you might if you actually took the time to look at some of the girls faces, or in their eyes, when they momentarily are "out of character." You can see pain, maybe even emotions like fear. I actually noticed this in some of the films in the past.

You do realise that some scences alot of the time are edited and that they require alot of takes, so the guy isn't going too ejaculate at the time 'most' would. These 'actors' (female) try too make submission look erotic, much like women with implants think that this will attract the opposite sex.

Porn doesn't have a damn thing to do with love, or a healthy sexual relationship.

There are many that will disagree with you there, sometimes porn spices up a relationship, particularly among married people. Please tell me that sex shops are not just for single people? (No I am not married)

It's BS. It's a lie. Think about it. You throw two or more people together, maybe they don't even like each other, and you tell them to get erections, get horny, and make hot sex with each other, thus making a porn video. From the start, something is already wrong with this. This is beyond acting. This is beyond trying new sexual positions.

Well, as I have said before... I am glad that you have researched PORN in order too identify it as being a hoax, I hope that you will apply your new found wisdom too the like of the WWF.

And, how does watching this make you closer to your significant other? I mean, doesn't your significant other turn you on? The truth is, your wife should be attractive to you already, and vice versa. You're essentially having sex with a fantasy, not your wife, not your husband. How does this bring you closer together?

If you could have sex with Jenna Jameson and experience her skills, you would do it via imagination and not persue an outside relationship with such a woman, because you are with the one you love, not the one you lust for... Isn't visualization better than contact?

I based a lot of what I know about sex on porn movies.

WOW... That's the dumbest thing that I have ever heard!!!!

So, you say that basically you base your whole sexual reallity on what you have witnessed in porn vids?

Do believe evreything that you read or see in the media?

So, I take it that you have never felt the sensual side of sex?

The breathing, the mutuality, the feeling of being one with someone you love?

You're a kid, as is what is evident by your post, a kid that has found daddy's stash of PORN and feels it's his duty too question others desires in the world, as I did question my parents about smoking tobacco.

Now I have all these sexual memories of porn that are now pretty much trash. How can I get satisfaction from such a thing, when I know someone could be hurting on the other end? Why would I ever want to watch it again?

Don't watch it then. When you find a partner that you love you will find out that all that you see on those videos is an absolute fake. You will justify your memories by being abstenant from sex, and yet that is the wrong thing too do. You WILL, find someone that ticks the boxes in a different fashion than those you have seen on the videos. You will realize that not all sex starts with a BJ. When you are older you will understand this. IT IS FICTION JUST LIKE STAR WARS!!!

To get through, porn actors are largely on drugs, drink a lot, smoke a lot, stuff like that.

Never work with animals or children.... particularly when you're on drugs. Or operate heavy machinery. Don't know what that's got too do with it, but I can't understand how the OP came too the above conclusion either.

So, here are some links. I want you to think real hard about the content in these links before you put in another porn movie. Someone on the other end, in porn land, could be suffering. All so you can get off on it. Make your choice wisely.

PORNLAND... The stuff of DREAMS...understand?????

Some of this is graphic, and adult oriented, so be advised. It may be disturbing, so again, you are advised. The stories are worth the read, though. You need to get the reality of things.

Much like the content of this post

(Removed links, they are at the top of the page.)

Fox.

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Well, they're called porn actors and actresses for a reason. It's like watching wrestling. You know it's fake but you still watch it. They have freaking have porn awards. You're making a big deal out of nothing.

Oh, and just as a side note, for those that may actually like porn, and want too see some believable PORN, source some 1970's porn or late 60's PORN, their you could say that the dollar (in regards too the industry) really wasn't worth as much, so the acting maybe more real... just a suggestion. (also they have more of a stroy line, much like a regular movie) Not that I watch PORN or anything like it.

Cheers, Fox.

(Think happy thoughts, think happy thoughts....)

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As an educated liberal "child of the sixties", I supported access to porn as a *right* to freedom of expression. OF course, we were all encouraged by the social radicalism of that time to engage in "sex, drugs and rock n roll."

Years later, I was professionally exposed ((no pun intended) first hand to the porn industry as a business 'peripheral' to a project I was working on. I learned a lot.

Porn is a base and degrading business. Dehumanizing, actually. And that's the purpose and the point. Distance the participants and the viewers as far as possible from their intimate human side, and from the potential of intimate human relationships that can actually be fulfilling and therefore eliminate a desire for porn.) Porn is produced only to provide the viewer a moment of "HIGH satisfaction" -- like a drug high -- and, just like a drug, keep the viewers coming back for more (and of course paying for it.) Get them addicted as quickly as possible.

As for the participants, they are targeted (usually confused, insecure, unhappy youth in flux), recruited, and have no idea of the toll (often contributing to or resulting in premature death) the "work" will have on them. To the producers, they are ultimately disposible, and they keep them drugged, and miserable. The buzz about the "happy stars" is pure hype from the porn studio to encourage paying viewers to buy in -- and buy MORE, always more.

I learned there is absolutely nothing healthy about porn except the profits for the exploitive producers. Don't kid yourself by thinking "no harm done" to yourself or others. *Everyone* gets hurt in the pursuit of porn. It is a predatory industry to both participants and consumers.

MK

As far as the actors in porn are concerned, for every horror story there is another story which has the actor or actress earning a small fortune and going on to either work behind the scenes or move up into contemporary movies. This whole notion about some sexual acts being disgusting or depraved really depends on which country you come from. If you ever watched some of the antics which the Japanese porn stars get up too you would know what I mean.
Sex, in all it's forms is natural. I cannot for the life of me see what all the fuss is about.. .

Hm. As a woman, who does not watch porn [anymore], I really don't feel too sorry for most of these women who choose to enter into this profession (after all, that is what it is, a job). I feel sorry for some cases. But the topic is too broad to get into those details. They know what they were getting into (we live in the information age), they know the risks (STDs) and unplanned pregnancies, they know the paychecks they would get ($$$ who doesn't want that?) and they can get out of it anytime. Unless they are being held hostage in some locked up room somewhere. And yes, that is happening. But im thinking this thread is talking about mainstream VOLUNTEER porn amongst consensual adults.

I personally cant stand porn. I think its cheesy and cant stand the fakeness of it. I also prefer to communicate in my relationship. We are good at it and dont need a video to help us at all. I think if more couples would talk and use some imagination, porn wouldn't be needed.

And as far as things getting old or relationships not having sex anymore. Usually (IMO and others I have listened too) there are other reasons for that - reasons that the couple refuses to work on. Lack of sex in a marriage/relationship is a sure sign of OTHER issues. The issues are not a result of lack of sex...its the opposite.

However, that's all just my opinions based on my relationship now and the relationships of my past and what I see happen around me with others. To each their own and whatever works for others is what I say.

I do know that porn can and does destroy relationships. Been there, done that. One of many reasons why I vowed to never have it part of my relationships again.

As far as single people, eh, don't think anyone can blame them. Everyone has needs and desires and not everyone wants to go have random hook ups.

For some it does create unrealistic expectations of women - which is not healthy. And many women do get into drugs in order to get thru the meaningless sex day in and day out.....but at the end of the day, it is them who choose the profession. It is them who has to choose to get out - if they want to. But the lure of money, fame and attention is usually much more appealing then having to go work a 9-5 job at some retail store or office. Most choose to never leave it and are usually forced out of it due to age, etc.

And clearly choosing that profession can really screw up some of these women. And many were screwed up before they entered the industry. For others, they have manged to move on from it and live a productive life. I don't think we can throw a blanket judgement over the entire industry. Way too many factors involved.

I'm just glad that I never felt the need or desire to enter into that industry.


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welcome to the world of acting AND BEING PAID FOR IT!!!

You can't tell me that some of these woman in these pornos aren't actually enjoying what they do?
But yeah, pro porn, or commercial porn, a lot of it is all fake emotion.

I think that, as a male of the species I tend to gravitate to viewing amateur porn and porn-tube sites. To me it's more real. Less fake boobs and cookie cutter bodies.
Amateur stuff is just more real.
The commercial stuff, is, well, just too plastic, or siliconey.

Some of it is just, well WTF, like getting sick from poking the gag reflex, no thanks, that's sick.
I don't like poop in porn, I don't like women made to look 12 or 13, I don't like simulated rape or violence or male overbearing pricks.

I guess normal stuff mixed with a bit of innocent bizarre stuff is my thing.


To those who cut porn out of your lives (for now)
I'm pullin' for ya'!

Originally posted by cybertroy
Before, I somehow thought some of these porn actors enjoyed the pain of things like hard sex. That may be the case for some, but many of the women just don't enjoy it. In fact, you may be hurt by some of the stories of abuse that have occurred in the porn industry.

This would qualify for all movie industries including what's considered mainstream.

When you watch a porn, this is what you pretty much see, a pretty smiling girl covered in man goo. She smiles, but much of the time it's fake. You think she enjoys this. You don't see the pain, well actually you might if you actually took the time to look at some of the girls faces, or in their eyes, when they momentarily are "out of character." You can see pain, maybe even emotions like fear. I actually noticed this in some of the films in the past.

I would say if this was their CHOICE not based on desperation, coercion, or force, then that is their right.

Porn doesn't have a damn thing to do with love, or a healthy sexual relationship. It's BS. It's a lie.

Nobody ever said it did as far as I know.
But either do onscreen romances in main stream film. Do you go to see those movies?

Think about it. You throw two or more people together, maybe they don't even like each other,

Happens all the time in main stream movies.

And, how does watching this make you closer to your significant other?

Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. Depends on the individuals in the relationship

I mean, doesn't your significant other turn you on? The truth is, your wife should be attractive to you already, and vice versa. You're essentially having sex with a fantasy, not your wife, not your husband. How does this bring you closer together?

So when your wife wears something sexy and puts on makeup, that doesn't enhance the "fantasy" of your existing relationship?

To get through, porn actors are largely on drugs, drink a lot, smoke a lot, stuff like that.

You mean just like main stream movie and tv actors not to mention singers?

www.shelleylubben.com/articles/TheTruth.doc

As far as I can tell, this article is referring to clips taken from a porn video and does not depict actual assault. I've seen other articles about this that have been traveling around the web, trying to push propaganda against American military in Iraq.

In one of the links, a pornstar named belladona said she left but kept going back for the money. She was never forced to do anything. She chose to do those things.

These things are not just part of the porn industry.
If you're going to condemn the porn industry, you must also condemn the movie, tv and music industry.

So my response is before your watch your next movie, tune in to your next tv show or crack open that new CD you just bought, think hard about all the suffering that went into it.

You seem to comdemn the porn industry only because it happens in front of you and not behind the scenes so you don't have to see it.