reply to post by DantesLost
You come across and put a mine in my road, and I'll hunt you down and I'll kill you.
Again, Israel was attacked first, and they responded.
And you're dead wrong! The UN was told, TOLD to get out, they were no longer needed, and this permitted the Egyptian Army to line up for the end of
Israel.
Many hoped the UN would stay in place, but when you've got all these forces telling you to get off their land, you get off.
You have a highly skewered view of history.
Try sources other than the internet.
You'll be surprised just how much is out there.
I have three degrees already. How many more would you suggest?
Israel Testing Nasty Weapons in Gaza, claims Medic., page 7
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reply posted on 14-1-2009 @ 03:35 AM by SueHam2
reply to post by SLAYER69
Well this is a first as I have been reading this, for I have been reading all the news in the Middle East and not once was this information ever mentioned.
And as I stated before Israel has a right to defend themselves from Hammas.
And besides Hammas has been using women and children as human-shields in this war of defense.
This is why Israel is fighting at night and not during the day.
And besides Israel is going after Terrorist Headquarters and Terrorist Bunkers, and hideouts.
This is why they dropped leaflets to let the Civilians know what their plans are.
Nothing has been done in secret here concerning Israel.
And unless the UN can come up with a excellent solution for handling Hammas, Israel is going to continue to bomb Gaza, and they are doing it in self-defense only. And of course Israel also believes that Hammas did this to divert them from making more inquiry into the serious Nuclear issue in Iran.
And just so everyone knows Gaza does formerly belong to Israel, as does Jerusalem, and of course the the various areas surrounding Israel.
The fact of the matter is between the 7th and 10th Century it was stolen by the Arahs, and than it was also stolen by the British in 1948.
The Palenstians have never owned the land in Israel or Jerusalem or the the surrounding areas around Israel, for it has always belonged to the Jews.
Well this is a first as I have been reading this, for I have been reading all the news in the Middle East and not once was this information ever mentioned.
And as I stated before Israel has a right to defend themselves from Hammas.
And besides Hammas has been using women and children as human-shields in this war of defense.
This is why Israel is fighting at night and not during the day.
And besides Israel is going after Terrorist Headquarters and Terrorist Bunkers, and hideouts.
This is why they dropped leaflets to let the Civilians know what their plans are.
Nothing has been done in secret here concerning Israel.
And unless the UN can come up with a excellent solution for handling Hammas, Israel is going to continue to bomb Gaza, and they are doing it in self-defense only. And of course Israel also believes that Hammas did this to divert them from making more inquiry into the serious Nuclear issue in Iran.
And just so everyone knows Gaza does formerly belong to Israel, as does Jerusalem, and of course the the various areas surrounding Israel.
The fact of the matter is between the 7th and 10th Century it was stolen by the Arahs, and than it was also stolen by the British in 1948.
The Palenstians have never owned the land in Israel or Jerusalem or the the surrounding areas around Israel, for it has always belonged to the Jews.
reply posted on 14-1-2009 @ 03:37 AM by Orion1660
reply to post by Beelzebubba
Must we weaponize everything? I dont know. Maybe we do.to "protect" our way of life.
Just a thought.
Must we weaponize everything? I dont know. Maybe we do.to "protect" our way of life.
Just a thought.
reply posted on 14-1-2009 @ 04:14 AM by boaby_phet
reply to post by dooper
on the contrary, i think its a very valid point..
if your american, you follow the constitution... i have been a part of a good few gun discussions here on ats and ive well and truely had the second amendment shoved down my throat. Now, that second amendment clearly states that , if needed, you can basicly all do what the palestinians do, yet, because their not american its not right, even though, strickly speaking, their following one of america's own rules (not directly i will add) to protect themselfs and fight for a free state ?
havent you got any actual arguments other than trying to belittle my postings with no actual substance...? Not really the way to get a point accross is it. I went to the trouble of doing a minor bit of reaserch to get my point accross, the least you can do is the same.. all you done their was open your mouth and state your view on me without actualy discusing teh subject matter.,
(i am with you on the ring though, i dont really get what that op meant)
also, i have to add to clear this up (not related to the op im replying to)
who the hell decided that hamas are using a "human shield"??
ISREAL ARE BOMBING TOWNS AND GAZA CITY, THEY LIVE THEIR, THEY ARE NOT HUMAN SHIELDS, THEY ARE LIVING IN THEIR OWN HOUSES LIKE NORMAL PEOPLE. WHICH DEFFINITELY IS NOT A HUMAN SHIELD.
saying that the people of gaza are a human shield is as stupid as saying the queen used the people of london as a human shield during the blitz on uk during world war 2.. (rest my case)
[edit on 14-1-2009 by boaby_phet]
[edit on 14-1-2009 by boaby_phet]
on the contrary, i think its a very valid point..
if your american, you follow the constitution... i have been a part of a good few gun discussions here on ats and ive well and truely had the second amendment shoved down my throat. Now, that second amendment clearly states that , if needed, you can basicly all do what the palestinians do, yet, because their not american its not right, even though, strickly speaking, their following one of america's own rules (not directly i will add) to protect themselfs and fight for a free state ?
havent you got any actual arguments other than trying to belittle my postings with no actual substance...? Not really the way to get a point accross is it. I went to the trouble of doing a minor bit of reaserch to get my point accross, the least you can do is the same.. all you done their was open your mouth and state your view on me without actualy discusing teh subject matter.,
(i am with you on the ring though, i dont really get what that op meant)
also, i have to add to clear this up (not related to the op im replying to)
who the hell decided that hamas are using a "human shield"??
ISREAL ARE BOMBING TOWNS AND GAZA CITY, THEY LIVE THEIR, THEY ARE NOT HUMAN SHIELDS, THEY ARE LIVING IN THEIR OWN HOUSES LIKE NORMAL PEOPLE. WHICH DEFFINITELY IS NOT A HUMAN SHIELD.
saying that the people of gaza are a human shield is as stupid as saying the queen used the people of london as a human shield during the blitz on uk during world war 2.. (rest my case)
[edit on 14-1-2009 by boaby_phet]
[edit on 14-1-2009 by boaby_phet]
reply posted on 14-1-2009 @ 09:18 AM by DantesLost
reply to post by dooper
If you want to get into a pissing contest about qualifications,trust me,you'd lose.
And if you looked up General Mohammed Fawzy,Chief of Staff of the United Arab Republic as I suggested you would find that he sent a letter to the UN stating Egypt's intent.Meaning the presence of the UN was not a deterrent in this matter.
domino.un.org...!OpenDocument
The above article goes on to say;
Israel attacked their neighbours in 1964 and 1965,but you say they were attacked first in 1966 so its their neighbours who started it,not them.How exactly is that possible?
You do realize that the 1964 and 1965 come before 1966 don't you?
[edit on 14-1-2009 by DantesLost]
If you want to get into a pissing contest about qualifications,trust me,you'd lose.
And if you looked up General Mohammed Fawzy,Chief of Staff of the United Arab Republic as I suggested you would find that he sent a letter to the UN stating Egypt's intent.Meaning the presence of the UN was not a deterrent in this matter.
At 2200 hours, local time, on 16 May, Brigadier Eiz-El-Din Mokhtar handed to General Rikhye, the Commander of UNEF, the following letter:
"`For your information, I gave my instructions to all Armed Forces of the United Arab Republic to be ready for action against Israel the moment it might carry out any aggressive action against any Arab country. Due to these instructions our troops are already concentrated in Sinai on our eastern borders. For the sake of complete security of all UN troops which install observation posts along our borders, I request that you issue your orders to withdraw all these troops immediately. I have given my instructions to our Commander of the eastern zone concerning this subject. Inform back the fulfilment of this request.
domino.un.org...!OpenDocument
The above article goes on to say;
A request by the United Arab Republic authorities for a temporary withdrawal of UNEF from the armistice demarcation line and the international frontier, or from any parts of them, would be considered by the Secretary-General as tantamount to a request for the complete withdrawal of UNEF from Gaza and Sinai, since this would reduce UNEF to ineffectiveness.
Israel attacked their neighbours in 1964 and 1965,but you say they were attacked first in 1966 so its their neighbours who started it,not them.How exactly is that possible?
You do realize that the 1964 and 1965 come before 1966 don't you?
[edit on 14-1-2009 by DantesLost]
reply posted on 14-1-2009 @ 09:44 AM by Exuberant1
reply to post by DantesLost
"Israel attacked their neighbours in 1964 and 1965,but you say they were attacked first in 1966 so its their neighbours who started it,not them.How exactly is that possible?
You do realize that the 1964 and 1965 come before 1966 don't you? "
Don't you know - or have you forgotten?
In any case, let me remind you:
"Israel attacked their neighbours in 1964 and 1965,but you say they were attacked first in 1966 so its their neighbours who started it,not them.How exactly is that possible?
You do realize that the 1964 and 1965 come before 1966 don't you? "
Don't you know - or have you forgotten?
In any case, let me remind you:
reply posted on 14-1-2009 @ 09:52 AM by boaby_phet
reply to post by Exuberant1
hahahahaha sorry to have a chuckle in such a serious post, but that pic sums it up... basicly if isreal or their supporters say it, its true even if its a lie..
as i posted a page back, the isreals are using nazi disinfo techniques.. which i still cant get my head around.. they killed millions of jews, yet the supporters of teh jewish state are using the old nazi techniques.!?
my heads going to explode i think.
hahahahaha sorry to have a chuckle in such a serious post, but that pic sums it up... basicly if isreal or their supporters say it, its true even if its a lie..
as i posted a page back, the isreals are using nazi disinfo techniques.. which i still cant get my head around.. they killed millions of jews, yet the supporters of teh jewish state are using the old nazi techniques.!?
my heads going to explode i think.
reply posted on 14-1-2009 @ 01:00 PM by BlueRaja
Originally posted by Goathief
reply to post by BlueRaja
Israel did not sign, so you are correct about it being a non-starter. As for the safe distances:
I am withholding information about safe distances as its disclosure would be likely to prejudice the capability, effectiveness or security of our forces.
- John Reid
However, none of that makes it right. Using WP on a densely populated city is just indiscriminate and wrong.
So in otherwords it's not really illegal. You just don't approve of it. Big distinction there with regard to Military necessity vs. legality.
It might be indiscriminate if there were clearly large numbers of non-combatants in the vicinity, but there's no such thing as zero collateral damage(with any kind of weapon), in urban warfare. The Laws of Warfare only stipulate that you take precautions to avoid unnecessary collateral damage, and that the force used isn't disproportionate to the military necessity. There is no prohibition against urban warfare, or collateral damage of any kind.
reply posted on 14-1-2009 @ 01:06 PM by BlueRaja
Originally posted by boaby_phet
reply to post by jam321
how flawed is that argument ? .. your comparing things thats happened for 100's of years, with 2 completly sides, on the other side of the planet, with completly different sets of beliefs... Oh and thats ignoreing the fact that they dont have rockets to fire! .... im fairlyu sure they tried to fight back though,... where did all these cowboy vs indian storys come from ? thin air.
thats like comparing it to the the farmers Vs bunnys from watership down ..!
ive yet to hear a good excuse that does not involve the palestinian people defending themselfs from a tyranous country. that doesnt bring up them trying to free their own country...
let me ask any american this, as you all have the laws in place and many people with the beliefs of taking arms ect..
if canada took over america, and claimed it, and had much bigger armys, super hi tech weapons, and all you had was your millita groups and a few rockets... what would you do do claim your country back ?
[edit on 13-1-2009 by boaby_phet]
I wouldn't kill Canadian civilians for starters. Secondly, that's a poor analogy of the situation in Israel.
just a few tidbits to consider for purposes of perspective
-Israel was the historic home of the Jews
-Palestinians were offered land for their own state, but refused
-After the holocaust, there was a moral obligation to restore a Jewish homeland
-The Arabs sided with the Nazis- the Nazis lost. They bet on the wrong horse.
-
reply posted on 14-1-2009 @ 01:46 PM by boaby_phet
reply to post by BlueRaja
yet another half assed post..
no-one is argueing that isreal doesnt belong to isreal?.. the discusion is about palestine.
noone got any actual facts to read ? preferable more than 8 sentances of lame info-bites.
yet another half assed post..
no-one is argueing that isreal doesnt belong to isreal?.. the discusion is about palestine.
noone got any actual facts to read ? preferable more than 8 sentances of lame info-bites.
reply posted on 14-1-2009 @ 01:53 PM by BlueRaja
Originally posted by boaby_phet
reply to post by BlueRaja
yet another half assed post..
no-one is argueing that isreal doesnt belong to isreal?.. the discusion is about palestine.
noone got any actual facts to read ? preferable more than 8 sentances of lame info-bites.
The discussion is about Israel responding to terrorist rocket attacks.
reply posted on 14-1-2009 @ 05:49 PM by MerlinFields
STOP BLAMING ISRAEL!!!!
This is not a religious or ideologic war!!
Israel has a right to defend themselves!! The other side of the storty always starts with the Palistians lobbing rockets into Israel. When Isreal retaliates, everyone is up in arms about it. Read more on this story and how it gets slanted at www.honestreporting.com...
Israel did not create or develope this new explosive either! And it has not been deamed illegal for use!
I am sick of hearing people condemning Israel for everything that happens in the Middle East.
I am beginning to see that this web-site is falling into the same category as the mainstream media. They are not checking the story and I would be VERY CAREFUL about 'cursing' Israel.
Yahuah, the Elohim of Israel, said that He would bless those who bless Israel and curse those who curse Israel. That is still very much true today. ESPECIALLY TODAY!!
If you are not Yisra'el, you will not be 'saved' Romans 10 & 11. We are to be 'grafted' into Yisra'el not jews into christianity.
No, I am NOT a jew! But I am Yisra'el!
This is not a religious or ideologic war!!
Israel has a right to defend themselves!! The other side of the storty always starts with the Palistians lobbing rockets into Israel. When Isreal retaliates, everyone is up in arms about it. Read more on this story and how it gets slanted at www.honestreporting.com...
Israel did not create or develope this new explosive either! And it has not been deamed illegal for use!
I am sick of hearing people condemning Israel for everything that happens in the Middle East.
I am beginning to see that this web-site is falling into the same category as the mainstream media. They are not checking the story and I would be VERY CAREFUL about 'cursing' Israel.
Yahuah, the Elohim of Israel, said that He would bless those who bless Israel and curse those who curse Israel. That is still very much true today. ESPECIALLY TODAY!!
If you are not Yisra'el, you will not be 'saved' Romans 10 & 11. We are to be 'grafted' into Yisra'el not jews into christianity.
No, I am NOT a jew! But I am Yisra'el!
reply posted on 14-1-2009 @ 06:02 PM by DantesLost
reply to post by MerlinFields
Oh look,another new member come to tow the line of the Israeli government.
Please try reading through all the post before replying.The points you bring up have been mentioned on more than one occasion.
Just for you though I'll repeat one important point,seen as you brought up the Bible.
The Hebrews were allowed the Promised Land on one condition:they kept Gods laws and commandments.If they fail to do this then they will be punished.
The Bible mentions this quite clearly,and many chapters are spent on the sins that the people had committed and the punishment they recieved,like being defeated in battle and being exiled.
[edit on 14-1-2009 by DantesLost]
Oh look,another new member come to tow the line of the Israeli government.
Please try reading through all the post before replying.The points you bring up have been mentioned on more than one occasion.
Just for you though I'll repeat one important point,seen as you brought up the Bible.
The Hebrews were allowed the Promised Land on one condition:they kept Gods laws and commandments.If they fail to do this then they will be punished.
The Bible mentions this quite clearly,and many chapters are spent on the sins that the people had committed and the punishment they recieved,like being defeated in battle and being exiled.
[edit on 14-1-2009 by DantesLost]
reply posted on 14-1-2009 @ 06:17 PM by Goathief
reply to post by MerlinFields
www.honestreporting.com... is an Israeli propaganda site/operation sponsored by their foreign ministry. Hardly honest or unbiased.
The rest of your post is just garbage if I'm very frank and it's clear that you have an agenda.
[edit on 14-1-2009 by Goathief]
www.honestreporting.com... is an Israeli propaganda site/operation sponsored by their foreign ministry. Hardly honest or unbiased.
The rest of your post is just garbage if I'm very frank and it's clear that you have an agenda.
[edit on 14-1-2009 by Goathief]
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