Israel Testing Nasty Weapons in Gaza, claims Medic., page 3
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reply posted on 13-1-2009 @ 06:10 AM by magicmushroom
Is this any suprise as it is Israel, The are commiting genocide, breaking international law and coimmitng war crimes what else would you expect from them. They steal land kill the indigenous people and when thsoe people fight back they are terrorists. No they are not the indigenous population have every right to live where they want and should not have to live in fear of israelis stealing their land and homes but that is what has happened over the decades.

When these people fight back against theft and murder they are then slaughtered, these actions supported by the brain dead and the parasites that back these actions. We are not talking about combatents here, or armed forces we are talking about civilian men women and children who are being slaughtered like cattle. And that is exactly what all none Jews are called cattle, the goyim.

There is not pretense here to say we the Israelis are merely defending themselves no this is genocide of the indigenous population and totally out of proportion to what Hamas has done in its entire history. This action is nothing more than mass murder of innocents and is a stain on the History of Israel, just one more to add to all the others. Israels intention is not to let the indigenous people settle on the land but to remove them from it by whatever means.

Defintion of Israel, a nation born out of terrorism that has used same for the past 6 decades to achieve its objectives and will continue to do so until it has created a Greater Israel.

Despot Governments supporting Israel and who form and support terrorist groups, the UK/US


reply posted on 13-1-2009 @ 06:54 AM by Goathief
reply to post by Exuberant1


Whoa, that's quite an eye-opener!

Wouldn't it be equally reasonable to use this tool to counter-argue everywhere they post and show the boards the truth? Irony in action.

giyus.org...


reply posted on 13-1-2009 @ 07:28 AM by Exuberant1
reply to post by Goathief



"Wouldn't it be equally reasonable to use this tool to counter-argue everywhere they post and show the boards the truth? Irony in action"

That is what people have been doing. Mike Rivero suggested that people do this on his whatreallyhappened website.

This only problem is you are downloading israeli software with lord-knows-what kinds of spyware and keyloggers and trojans etc...



reply posted on 13-1-2009 @ 08:39 AM by whiterabbit85
reply to post by detachedindividual



I can't believe all the bleeding hearts, seriously, I've tried to refrain from posting at all because no matter what side you take in this debate there's always someone pissed off at you.

honestly, yes, women and children are being killed, but this isn't normal warfare. How do you avoid collateral damage when gunmen and militants hide amongst women and children? When safehouses and shelters are used as launching pads for homemade weaponry?

As far as I'm concerned war over anything on this planet is a gross misuse of technology and brainpower, not to mention the potential of the lives lost.

And lets be honest here, if these children weren't killed now, they would probably be killed in another 10-15 years when they do the only thing they've ever known how to do, that they've ever seen done, and join Hamas, or whatever other faction is in place by then and go to war for someone elses cause. I really can't decide which is the more tragic fate.


reply posted on 13-1-2009 @ 09:25 AM by SectionEight
reply to post by whiterabbit85



You bring up an excellent point, they are indoctinated into hate as soon as they can sit up and watch the television and attend classrooms. There is no intention or evidence of any to bring prosperity to their people. This is in sharp contrast to the organization of the people of Isreal. They keep a standing army sure but they also promote the prosperity of their people.

Think of this, if the govt of Isreal fell and it's army defeated, the jews would be masacred. If the govt and its ruling structure of Palestine fell, the Palestinian people would be saved.


reply posted on 13-1-2009 @ 09:48 AM by Goathief
reply to post by whiterabbit85



You don't use white phosphorus in densely populated areas for a start. How did the UK achieve peace in N. Ireland when terrorists there were using the very same tactics?

Answer that and it's a step in the right direction.

Section, who are 'they'? Are you accusing all Palestinians of being Terrorists or the majority supporting Hamas? You'd be very wrong on both counts.

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reply posted on 13-1-2009 @ 09:56 AM by SectionEight
reply to post by Goathief




Let me ask you this.
How long do you think a dissenter to the ruling authority would last if they tried to organize a revolt against HAMAS? The correct answer is probably in minutes and seconds.


reply posted on 13-1-2009 @ 10:09 AM by dooper
reply to post by Wormwood Squirm



Their form of rule makes no difference. They wanted all Israeli settlers out, they wanted to be on their own, and they wanted their own territory.

Sometimes, you have to be real careful what you wish for.

You just might get exactly what you wanted.



reply posted on 13-1-2009 @ 10:55 AM by boaby_phet
reply to post by ShadeWolf



.. again ... how wrong is this though..

if their terrorists for trying to claim back their own country that was stolen from them by isreal?

its typical "a rule for and and different rules for someone else" situation..

"they fired rockets"
"they bombed innoocents"

but at the end of the day, people, isreal included should stop and think "what exactly is the root cause of this anger towards isreal"..

ill use the "bret screwed bret annalogy"

palestine never screwed isreal, isreal screwed isreal by trying to rob peoples land from them.


reply posted on 13-1-2009 @ 12:31 PM by MrPenny
Originally posted by magicmushroom
They steal land kill the indigenous people and when thsoe people fight back they are terrorists. No they are not the indigenous population have every right to live where they want and should not have to live in fear of --FILL IN THE BLANK-- stealing their land and homes but that is what has happened over the decades (centuries?).


I did some editing on your quote...let's play "Fill in the Blank...!!"

    English
    French
    Spanish
    Portugese
    Chinese (occurring now, in Tibet, go figure...does anyone give a sh1t?)
    Turkish
    Russian


Why is Israel singled out like this? I'll answer that....it's bigotry. Explain how they "stole it"....it looks to me like they won it through armed conflict. "The tree of liberty is watered with the blood of patriots..." (or some dumb, jingoistic thing like that) is often tossed around by American patriots. Well, the Israelis have watered a lot of olive trees with blood....they've earned it.

If it's "Palestinians" that are the focus of Israel's actions....why isn't the West Bank under attack also? I'll answer that.....'cause Fatah hasn't been indiscriminately lobbing munitions into a sovereign nation.

One more thing (maybe two). What difference does the chemical or mechanical makeup of the munitions make? Aren't they all pretty darned fatal if ingested? Here's the second one....check your facts, the use of white phosphorous is not illegal when used as "smoke screen." Am I defending it's use...no....am I certain it's being used only as "smoke screen?"..no.....but I do know there is no "blanket" illegality to the use of white phosphorous.

Why are Palestinian injuries and death the result of Israel atrocities, yet not characterized as Hamas atrocities for putting munitions, arms, and personnel in civilian homes and structures?

The entire situation is regrettable and sad...for everyone. There's a lot of knee-jerk rhetoric being tossed around here....yet, not a single damned solution proposed.

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reply posted on 13-1-2009 @ 01:50 PM by captiva
reply to post by Exuberant1



I read about this software 2 weeks ago. The thing is, those that are jumping in to all the threads to justify the abuse that Israel is carrying out in Gaza are not exactly the people I would pick on my debate team. Those that I see are not clever enough to say anything meaningfull in defence of Israel. They usually just make an A** of themselves.

As a matter of fact I would say they are further damaging the reputation that Israel had before this Gazan genocide.

Respects


reply posted on 13-1-2009 @ 02:09 PM by Anonymous ATS
reply to post by detachedindividual



I have to agree completely with your statement. I worked in the Middle East for 5 years and had occasion to converse with a Jordanian. He stated that the American view that all Arabs hate all Jews is nonsense. He went on to say that the two were cousins and had co-existed for hundreds of years. Arabs still live among Jews and vice versa. He also said that the Jew the Arab hates is the Zionist because he constantly wants more and more and more. What is mine is mine and what is yours we'll negotiate, as the Russians used to say. I see todays conflict as a continuation of that sentiment. Under the guise of self defense they have murdered about 100 Palestinians for every Israeli killed. It was the same thing when the Israeli Army decided to "defend" themselves against the rock throwing kids in Arab neighborhoods by using "rubber" bullets. As many fatalities as the Arabs suffered I suspect their "rubber" bullets were regular hardball with a condom wrapped around them. I got a good sense of the perfidiousness of the Israelis after the USS Liberty attack and, of course, Jonathon Pollard was another stalwart Israeli/American who just happened to steal more top secret info from us to pass to them than anyone else before. Israel is one "ally" that needs to have a very close eye kept on them. I believe the best way to mideast peace is to completely cut the Israelis off from all military and monetary aid immediately. We didn't take them to raise.


reply posted on 13-1-2009 @ 02:20 PM by jam321
reply to post by questioningall



Now can you tell me who is to blame for that death? Was it Israel weapons or Hamas explosives?

Can't tell, can you?
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