Obama to order Guantanamo Bay prison closed

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This is something that needed to be done years ago, as soon as the torture scandal was released to the public.

I know this is from CNN so its only partly true, but i do agree with his standing on the matter, close it, do it constitutionally and have the people who have actually commited crimes, tried and punished under law.

Any Thoughts?

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All I have to say is - it's what he said he would do. It's the right thing to do. And it's awful quiet in here...

My thought is that just this weekend I heard him say, from his own mouth, exactly the opposite.
www.washingtontimes.com...


This was Obama speaking directly and concisely on Sunday's 'This Week' program.

My thoughts also are that, as has been the case since day one, Mr. Obama's message changes like the wind and never settles in one place or remains constant enough for anyone to know exactly what he's doing. I guess it's as good a way as any to try and make everyone like him... don't care for his message today? Wait until tomorrow and I'm sure he'll get around to you.

6 minutes, BH. Would have had my post up sooner, but I had to search a link to make sure my response was backed up with evidence.

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hmm i read that story as well, it is intriguing, but then again, what presidential candidate hasn't pulled back his promises after election?

This has become the norm among our elected officials, even though i think that Obama will follow through with most of those, he's not really giving us the hope he did when he was elected.

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The problem is, one day after he himself said that Gitmo's closure will most likely have to wait, we have his talking heads making a big to-do over how it will likely be closed "within Obama's first week" in the office. Either his lines of communication between himself and his aides is faulty, he's changed his message in 24 hours, or the message of whoever's pulling the strings behind the scenes is getting crossed by the different sides of the cube... take your pick.

BTW, they may want to wait until after the Gaza conflict before closing Gitmo and releasing it's inhabitants. After all, I'm sure it would make for great headlines if 95% of the released enemy combatants were killed in downtown Gaza after an IDF mortar struck their staging grounds.

Someone's giving conflicting information.

Sorry about the 6 minutes, I didn't realize it was a new post.

Here's the text of the Interview



I think the cnn story is wrong. A leak that isn't true. It's all over the internet, though... It's still what he said he'd do.

what about the rest of the secret prisons secreted about the world in places such as romania?

without them also being aknowledged and closed the same cycle will continue for theres a reason for them being in romania,illegal practices.

Well, we haven't had an attack on this country since 9-11. They must be doing something right.

This is off topic, but if they were doing anything right in the first place there never would have been a 9-11.

On topic, I don't care what message he sends out or what his aides say, I just hope he closes that prison. It's a symbol of our oppressive imperialism, and most of the world despises us for it. It's our version of the Hanoi Hilton.

Australia was asked to take the prisoners.




Rightly so, we refused the request.

Closing Guantanamo is going to be a face saving transfer.

Those people, innocent or guilty will never see a fair trial.

They know to much!

I oppose the use of torture with every bone in my body never the less closing Guantanamo is not a good idea by any means . No One in there right mind would want the detainees housed anywhere near there backyard including those who support the closing of Guantanamo . Letting the detainees go free is hardly a sane notion . Really the US allies who have taken part in the War on Terror have gotten a good deal out of Guantanamo . Take Australia and New Zealand for example neither country has had to worry about housing detainees in the same way they did Axis POW during WW2 .

the reason it is being closed is most of the inmates are actually innocent of any wrong doing , there is zero justification for keeping them there.
they are not giving them trials as there is no evidence for any crimes.

the nature of the closure pretty much clarifies that gauntanimo was full of innocent people who were used for propaganda purposes.
there probs were those that were guilty but its looking like it was one big charade.

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To clear up the confusion at the beginning of the thread, it seems Obama intends to issue the order right away, but it will take time (perhaps a year) because some of the detainees are charged and must have trials. And some are fearful to return to their countries.



BBC



No one is suggesting that the doors be opened and everyone run free.

You gave it an entire 3 minutes after the OP posted to say that.


Yep. It'll be interesting to see what he decides next week.

Do they get trials? If so, they have to be housed somewhere. So where will that be? Are we back to keeping GITMO open for a long while? Will he stick them in federal prisons? BAD MOVE. Will he send them overseas? No body wants to import terrorists.

There is no magic wand to wave saying 'GITMO is closed now'.
Some expect that is what will happen. (take a look at the DU sometime!)
But It's complicated.

He is just going to keep making excuses why he can't close it yet. he is doing it to make himself look good with the people nothing more. Same reason he wont talk about gaza he is trying to preserve his image.

Face it its never going to close, more empty promises.


(Just my OPINION)

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How about sending them all to Crawford, Texas? That’s were this nightmare began. It would be appropriate (and just) to end it there. Appoint Dumbya to be the Honorary Warden!



I suppose we are talking about 300 or so prisoners at Git-mo. The real problem for America is that on half the detainees we don’t have evidence that would pass judicial review. And for various reasons we will refuse to produce the evidence on the other half of detainees. We seem to lack faith in the very system we claim to be protecting at the expense of our own rights not to mention those universally accepted rights we have denied to the detainees.

That is the predictable consequence of BAD leadership to the n-th degree!

Close Git-mo on January 20. Bring the inmates to the Federal Maximum Security Prison at Marion, Indiana. Allow 90 days for prosecutors to bring charges or release the inmates HERE! In the US of A. Land of the Free, Home of the Brave. It’s our fault. WE must pay the price. If we had followed the LAW all along we would not be here today.

That is the inevitable outcome of BAD leadership to the n-th degree!

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The Washington Times (Dr Sun Moon's propaganda sheet) is equal to or worse than FOX News (Rupert Murdoch's propaganda channel) and I avoid wasting my time by NOT reading or watching either just as I would avoid Typhoid Mary were she alive today.

A closed mind? No, not at all. I just choose not to fill my mind with trash.

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