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reply posted on 13-1-2009 @ 05:43 AM by Harassment101
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I don't know about global condemnatio, but how about general outrage for the killings and then interfaring in U.S. policy. Did everyone see this.

www.telegraph.co.uk...


The United States, Israel's main ally, had initially been expected to voted in line with the other 14 but Ms Rice later became the sole abstention.

"In the night between Thursday and Friday, when the secretary of state wanted to lead the vote on a ceasefire at the Security Council, we did not want her to vote in favour," Mr Olmert said

"I said 'get me President Bush on the phone'. They said he was in the middle of giving a speech in Philadelphia. I said I didn't care. 'I need to talk to him now'. He got off the podium and spoke to me.

"I told him the United States could not vote in favour. It cannot vote in favour of such a resolution. He immediately called the secretary of state and told her not to vote in favour."



I am surprised there was not more talk about this. It's coming straight from the source and not from a third party. Oh well. I guess there is no reason to talk about it if it's already a known topic.

I wonder if this has happened before when the U.S. had to vote on other issues?



reply posted on 13-1-2009 @ 05:59 AM by alienj
Originally posted by ll__raine__ll
i really don't get this mentality that those who condemn israels actions are 'antisemitic'. most people don't give a flying toss about their ethnicity ... that's their hang-up; they're projecting. all most care about is the fighting and killing and want it to stop.


Thats about the dumbest statement I have seen on ATS.. Almost 5000 years of antisemitic racist has persisted thru the middle east and Europe. AHH - did you miss WWII and the death camps, have you not heard the president of Iran lately, how about Egypt smuggling bombs to Hamas because wahhabiism(the major religion in Egypt) has the very tenant of Jew annihilation at their very core. I used to think that the US walked the middle line in racism against Jewish people but if I take one look at ATS there is so much hatred here its sickening. I know one thing I wake up each day and realize how lucky I am that a rocket isn't going to accidentally fly thru my window or my daughter isn't going to get blown up at school. Everyone that condemns Israel without having walked a mile in there shoes should be ashamed. They live in fear of genocide everyday, not just war, not just disagreements but total genocide. They live 9/11 daily. Now on the flip side so do the Palestinians, my heart goes out to them just as much, they have to live with wacko extremist that walk in and use their home for the next missile attack against the infidels and because this war has been going on so long and Iran, Syria, Egypt, only want to send them money for weapons instead of giving them money for education and food and affording them an economic situation that would allow them to prosper. All the youth know is death and financial devastation, they have nothing to live for, so suicide bombing is a relief. I'm not sure what you guys want them to do, let hamas come in and execute everyone one of them, because that is what they would do if Israel laid down its weapons. Every Sunni, Wahhabist, and extremist muslin would rush in there and have a "Day of Beheading" not only adults but babies too. So do we turn our backs on the Israelis and watch them die, just like we did to the south Koreans,(only 3 million died when we did that) maybe it wont be so bad this time maybe just 2 million. It makes me sick that people on this forum could even entertain the thought of thousands of kids and women and babies being slaughtered. How do you guys sleep with yourselves and I am asking not out of satire, I really want to know?


reply posted on 13-1-2009 @ 06:21 AM by Obliterated
reply to post by FlyersFan



try to remember that Israel was built by REFUGEES and that they have a right to live in peace and security


It was build by MAKING refugees. Try to remember that. The people they made refugees (like my family) have a right to live in peace and security in the same place they were driven out of. However, that right was taken away from them.


reply posted on 13-1-2009 @ 06:38 AM by Obliterated
reply to post by poet1b



The only protests I have seen on the news are Muslims who have no respect for right or wrong.


I doubt you'll see me on the news, but i'm attending a protest Rally in Melbourne (Australia) on Sunday. I'm not Muslim. I'm Catholic Palestinians on my fathers side and Lebanese Maronite on my mothers side. There are people of Palestinian heritage who were made Refugees in 1948 who are not Muslims. In case you didn't realise "Christianity" is based on events which originate there.

My Grandfather lost his home and belongings during the occupation. My family originates from a town called Al-Damoun which no longer exists.

This is the only information left which offers any proof of it's existance:
AL DAMOUN, located 6.8 miles SE of Acre. Pop. 1,310. Obliterated in 1948. All 4,768 acres were confiscated.
www.ameu.org...

Alot of Palestines history that pre-dates the mandate has been deleted from record.


reply posted on 13-1-2009 @ 06:41 AM by audas
Originally posted by alienj
Originally posted by ll__raine__ll
i really don't get this mentality that those who condemn israels actions are 'antisemitic'. most people don't give a flying toss about their ethnicity ... that's their hang-up; they're projecting. all most care about is the fighting and killing and want it to stop.


Thats about the dumbest statement I have seen on ATS.. Almost 5000 years of antisemitic racist has persisted thru the middle east and Europe. AHH - did you miss WWII and the death camps, have you not heard the president of Iran lately, how about Egypt smuggling bombs to Hamas because wahhabiism(the major religion in Egypt) has the very tenant of Jew annihilation at their very core. I used to think that the US walked the middle line in racism against Jewish people but if I take one look at ATS there is so much hatred here its sickening. I know one thing I wake up each day and realize how lucky I am that a rocket isn't going to accidentally fly thru my window or my daughter isn't going to get blown up at school. Everyone that condemns Israel without having walked a mile in there shoes should be ashamed. They live in fear of genocide everyday, not just war, not just disagreements but total genocide. They live 9/11 daily. Now on the flip side so do the Palestinians, my heart goes out to them just as much, they have to live with wacko extremist that walk in and use their home for the next missile attack against the infidels and because this war has been going on so long and Iran, Syria, Egypt, only want to send them money for weapons instead of giving them money for education and food and affording them an economic situation that would allow them to prosper. All the youth know is death and financial devastation, they have nothing to live for, so suicide bombing is a relief. I'm not sure what you guys want them to do, let hamas come in and execute everyone one of them, because that is what they would do if Israel laid down its weapons. Every Sunni, Wahhabist, and extremist muslin would rush in there and have a "Day of Beheading" not only adults but babies too. So do we turn our backs on the Israelis and watch them die, just like we did to the south Koreans,(only 3 million died when we did that) maybe it wont be so bad this time maybe just 2 million. It makes me sick that people on this forum could even entertain the thought of thousands of kids and women and babies being slaughtered. How do you guys sleep with yourselves and I am asking not out of satire, I really want to know?


There is no where near as much anti-semitism directed at the Jewish on this site as there is anti-semitism directed at Arabs - get real.

Further what happened to the Jews during WW2 hasnothing to do with the Israel current war crimes - two wrongs dont make a right - further why should Arabs pay the price of European Nazism ?

Wahabism is NOT FROM EGYPT - one more time - WRONG. It is a Saudi Arabian version of Islam. Please get SOME facts straight.

The Israelis are the ones committing genocide - fact. They are systematically eradicating the Palestinians - this is a fact.

You have been simply indoctrinated with mundane stereo types and can not look beyond your own assumptions - you are simply wrong on everything.

I am not anti-nor anti Semitic, I am very much anti-Zionist - and that is where you fall down in your understanding of International Relations.
I have studied the Jewish question, I have travelled ALL OVER EUROPE to visit concentration camps with the heaviest heart and deepest sympathies for the people who suffered in these camps - however what happened there has absolutely NO BEARING as to what is happening to Palestine.

How on earth can you claim that a country which has invaded another country and is committing genocide on this country has every right to do so as the country being invaded is "defending" itself with small home made arms.

Israel is the most powerful military in the world outside of the US, Russia and China - Palestine is the weakest on earth - and yet it is Palestine who threatens the existence of Israel ? Are you mad ?

Israel is in breach of innumerable UN resolutions - not to mentioned untold war crimes and crimes against humanity as it blocks Gaza and massacres its women and children - yet the most rudimentary defence these people can muster from this genocide you label terrorism.

How can defending against your entire people being erased from the face of the earth from an attacking force be terrorism ?

A blockade of the Gaza strip is an act of war, attacking supply routes is an act of war, invading their territory is an act of war, assassinating their leaders is an act of war, bombing them is an act war - defending yourself from these things is not terrorism, nor is it an act of war.

Finally Hamas, Fatah and the PLO have all explicitly recognised Israels right to exist and even agreed to the current borders, it was Israel who scuttled this (Bill Clinton has acknowledged this) - at Camp David, Oslo and every single time becuase Israel has clearly stated and well defined objective of driving out the Arabs from the entire region - these are stone cold facts.

You are sprouting half truths served up from the Mainstream media and have no ontological or empirical concept of the reality of this situation.


reply posted on 13-1-2009 @ 08:06 AM by eldard
reply to post by masonwatcher



If Israel keeps this up they're gonna be the new Nazis and the Palestinians the new Jews. It's all relative.

two lines.

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