Originally posted by HunkaHunka

Don't Invade a territory if you can't take criticism! Simple as that.

[edit on 12-1-2009 by HunkaHunka]

I completely agree with this statement. Have conviction and purpose and know that the action is in your best interests. Most of the worlds' governments (and opinions) have only an economic interest anyway. If they had to dodge the bullets every day in their own towns they would likely have a different opinion.

It's obvious that Israel was anxious to take such aggressive, brutal action before Gingiss Khan Bush is out of office. Unlike his predecessor, Obama will not pass out blessings to Israel for such atrocious and barbaric actions.

[edit on 12-1-2009 by whatsup]

Originally posted by TheColdDragon
So, you are at your house one evening... relaxing, watching your favorite program, having some lasagna or whatever you might want to eat.

Maybe you're having popcorn and watching a rental or a download.

Suddenly, some guy in a suit walks into your house, just opens up the door and walks in. He tells you you have to leave. You give him a look like he's crazy because, well, he obviously is and you tell him to GTFO of your house.....

......So your Wife, she loses it. She goes all kinds of bonkers and starts throwing things at the Door of the house... the mailbox, rocks through the windows, her shoes... and so a guy steps out onto the stoop and shoots her in the head.

wow worst analogy ever.

and longest one too.....

it seemed like you had a point to make at first, but then you kinda (read:really) got off topic. What were you comparing this story to? are you saying this is whats going on in the Gaza war? Or are you trying to point out the flawed logic of quarter? either way you have failed. where the hell do the police fit in with this whole story? If this was about the war, the police would not come into play at all. and I'm really struggling to understand the symbolism of the sexual abuse or whatever......

please clarify, becuase your post was bonkers, I mean off the wall, yes hardships happen but where was this metaphor going?.....

Originally posted by whatsup
It's obvious that Israel was anxious to take such aggressive, brutal action before Gingiss Khan Bush is out of office. Unlike his predecessor, Obama will not pass out blessings to Israel for such atrocious and barbaric actions.

[edit on 12-1-2009 by whatsup]

What evidence do you have of that? Obama has no precident of any action at all when it comes to foreign policy. Has he said something that would lead us to believe he would do something different?

Yeah. It's so apparent that Israel was so anxious to whack Gaza while Bush was still in office. . . . . .

I wonder how Bush talked Hamas into letting the ceasefire expire?

Then I wonder how Bush convinced Hamas to keep firing rockets for an entire frikkin week as Israel repeatedly warned Hamas to stop?

That George Bush! A genuine, frikkin genius! Only a superior mind with great instinct and foresight could have planned that!

The following new report comes from Haaretz, Israel's most influential newspaper, so no one can say that this is Palestinian propoganda:

Last update - 04:14 13/01/2009
Amira Hass / Gazans trapped in no man's land between fire, farmlands
By Amira Hass

A number of Palestinians - it is not clear how many - are trapped in small enclaves surrounded by Israel Defense Forces positions in the Gaza Strip's peripheral farming areas. The soldiers shoot at anyone who tries to leave the enclaves, they said.

These people didn't manage to flee, or decided to stay home when the IDF took over the area. But they never imagined that they would be cut off from their relatives and the nearby towns and villages for so long.

Fragmented reports from such enclaves indicate that the beleaguered Palestinians are suffering from an increasing shortage of water, medicines and food. At least in one enclave, east of Jabalya, there is a cancer patient whose medication has run out, Haaretz has learned. Attempts to evacuate diabetics and elderly people from another enclave have failed. IDF troops surrounding the enclaves shoot at anyone who tries to leave.

Some people are completely cut off and have lost all contact with other enclaves and with their relatives a few kilometers away. In Siafa, in north Beit Lahia for example, relatives and neighbors have no way of knowing if a woman and her son, who live in one of the area's besieged houses, are alive or dead. At their request Haaretz asked HaMoked: Center for the Defence of the Individual and other Israeli human rights organizations for help.

HaMoked has made contact with some of the besieged people and has even tried to organize, in coordination with the IDF, food delivery to some 120 people trapped in Siafa.

A small part of the equipment, medications and food was delivered on Sunday but delivery was cut short due to the end of the lull in Israeli fire.

The IDF insisted that the trapped people's relatives deliver the supplies with two donkey carts. In a bid to speed up delivery, the family arranged with the IDF to bring another cart, led by a horse. But when it approached the truck, soldiers fired at the horse, killing it, they said.

Some 20 al-Aidi family members, including two elderly women and four children who were wounded by an IDF shell, were evacuated from their home over the weekend - a week after being hit. The Red Cross and Physicians for Human Rights tried to evacuate them to hospital the day after they were wounded - but in vain.

When the rescue efforts were finally coordinated, a week later, the ambulances could not reach their homes, located southeast of Gaza City, which were caught between IDF outposts and firing targets, and they had to walk about two kilometers.

Regardless of what side you are on, here is a report by an Israeli paper that documents IDF troops shooting anyone that tries to get to their family, then shooting and killing a horse that the IDF forces told them to use to get their supplies.
This is an atrocity.

This is one sided story .... So I'll jump in real quick

Originally posted by dooper
A guy gets on a subway and sits down. A group comes down the aisle, they all glare at him, threaten him, and one pulls a knife and attacks.

The guy reaches into his jacket, pulls out a Colt Model 1911 .45 ACP, and kills the SOB that attacked him.

The others cry and bemoan the fact that this guy used unfair advantage, unfair weapons, and now they are the victims.

This same crap has been going on for years and years.

You don't want to get yourself, and possibly your countrymen killed, don't attack!

Myass.

See I was on the subway also and happen to ride that train often, and what I saw was different.

It started a few days before when a nice little lady was sitting with her bag of groceries next to her and this man go on a stop later and demanded to sit where this lady had her bag.

Even though there was other seats he wanted hers, and when she said no he threw the bag spilling her goods on the floor.

On to where she goes home and tells her son what happen. Him and his friends go to fix the score. when the next day they see the guy on the train, yes one did pull a knife to threaten him. and yes he pulled out his gun and killed the attacker.

But here's where things were left out. The guy didn't get time because brother happens to be a police chief and gave him the unlicensed gun to use so it wasn't in the report. Sister happens to work for the paper and kept all the facts out of the paper

The friends cry fowl play on the guy getting away with murder and using a weapon that he should not of had legally while they do jail time.


See what I'm saying?

So, "Israel's foreign minister expresses Tel Aviv's grave concern over "a wave of anti-Semitism" sparked by the Israeli offensive in Gaza"?

Either he's finally realised that the persecution of the Gazans IS anti-Semitic

or

he's just plain stupid.

I'm guessing the latter, mind-you, he probably isn't Semitic himself.

I see this situation not as war it is ethnic cleansing, The last bit of it. Thanks to our technologies today we get a clearer picture of whats really been going on for decades in that region. I saw big ugly bullies killing babies and women and thats a nono. I thought jews were more educated and civilised than arabs, they are definitely not as the cameras don't lie. Trillions have been spent on weapons all over the world and the mindless and heartless really want to play with their toys so they will amuse themselves and continue to destroy everything. When Iran steps in - then we can call it war.

I don't trust them, I think they are full of **** and people are dying all over the place because of it.

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[edit on 13-1-2009 by WyrdeOne]

What a bunch of a holes! Hiding their genocide behind the race card? And they wonder why people hate them? To hell with the zionists.

This is incredibly ridiculous. Other than the fact that I cannot even get proper news on this conflict on any western media, the sheer shamelessness of the Israeli military is sickening. No one cares about the Palestinians, no one in a position of influential power. The UN called for a ceasefire, the WHOLE world called for a ceasefire...and we are now in the 17th day of Israel's "defense". Since this is a disproportional war, Israel should back out first. But of course they wont, and of course the people attacking them wont as well. Israel asked for this regardless of anything. They have bred and are breeding generations of hate and terrorism to come..their way...it is only inevitable. I wish I were wrong, but we gotta agree ATS'ers...The world is an effed up place....

I'm an Anti-Semite

They are both semetic races and as such i deplore them greatly for what they have wrought on this world with...... in my opinion their RELIGIOUS bent on things..

I wish the whole area was rendered uninhabitable for the lot of them and for the betterment of ALL mankind

This area is the cause of toooooooo much angst between ALL people.

Having said that , why do we allow children to be slaughtered without revulsion,

those who support either side need re-education in the ethics of humanity

To the OP ... We can only hope the world feels contempt for the Israeli's and for the gutless approach of the Hamas organisation.

Peace in my lifetime ... pfffft... not while the place exists

I look at both sides of this issue and all I see are two groups of people who have been bound and determined to kill each other no matter what it's been like this for centuries now,y'all I say the US gives both the Israelis and Palestinians all the weapons they can handle and let nature determine the fate of the Middle East.