WHEN ARE THESE IDIOTS GOING TO REALIZE THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE ANTI-SEMITIC TO BE AGAINST A FOREIGN POLICY???

This has nothing to do with being a Jew or a Muslim.....

They are killing children.

Originally posted by dooper

I wonder how Bush talked Hamas into letting the ceasefire expire?

he didn't, hamas let it expire because Israel didn't hold up their side of the bargain. this has been said a million times yet you seem to not acknowledge it.

Originally posted by dooper

Then I wonder how Bush convinced Hamas to keep firing rockets for an entire frikkin week as Israel repeatedly warned Hamas to stop?

He didn't have to, Hamas started firing rockets after Israel attacked on Nov. 4th, yet you seem to not acknowledge this either.

Originally posted by dooper

That George Bush! A genuine, frikkin genius! Only a superior mind with great instinct and foresight could have planned that!

untrue, George Bush is not a frikkin genius.

A Semite is a person, regardless of religion, who originate from that area. That includes Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese as well as (some) Israelis.

So since when did anti-semitic become a synonym to anti-Israelic? Going by the textbook definition, it seems to me that the Israelis are more anti-semitic than anybody else as they seem fully intent on making all the other groups of people in the area extinct.

WOW...I don't even know where to start with this. But I'll try starting here. I admit that I don't know a whole lot about Israel and their troubles, but some of the arguments I read here aren't making sense to me. If I'm wrong...please educate me.

1. Israel has a bigger military. However, Hamas and the other terrorist organizations continue stabbing Israel with a knife. Why shouldn't they crush them? And as far as "innocent" people go...don't these "innocents" elect and support Hamas..and their actions? Heck...sometimes they even kill themselves to kill Israelis.

2. Does anyone truly believe for a minute that Hamas DOESN'T want civilian deaths and destruction? Isn't this exactly what Hamas wants...pity, publicity and therefore...support?

3. What the heck is Palestine? I can't seem to find such a place on any map. I have, however, seen a Palestine drawn OVER Israel on a map by children (and teachers) at Muslim schools. Isn't this simply the desire of a people calling themselves Palestine wanting to overtake (even through destruction) Israel?

Like I said...educate me if I'm wrong.

Originally posted by WeAreAWAKE
1. Israel has a bigger military. However, Hamas and the other terrorist organizations continue stabbing Israel with a knife. Why shouldn't they crush them? And as far as "innocent" people go...don't these "innocents" elect and support Hamas..and their actions?

Yes. Just as much as all Americans elected and supported G.W. Bush... and his actions.

(edited spelling error)

[edit on 18/1/2009 by moniker]

moniker,

I appreciate the correction. I was mistakenly under the impression that a Palestine never existed, and I will look into your suggested links further.

Mark

moniker,

On the Bush comment...I understand your point. However, I don't see an equal situation.

If America were attacked by missiles and suicide bombers...Yes...I would expect us to seek a response and a fix from the government responsible for the individuals. If that didn't happen...I would then expect retaliation. (as has been the case with 9/11...mostly)

Much the same, I would expect any other country to attack America with whatever capability they have if we shot missiles at them or provided and supported suicide bombers without America being attacked first.

I would not, however, expect a military reaction in any case, for any "side" because the other doesn't like their politics or beliefs. In short, my stance is..."if everyone stopped fighting for a period of time...and agreed...the next group to fire a shot is the one at fault". I obviously believe that Hamas would be the ones firing that shot, as their people cheered and formed parades in the streets hoping for more.

But regardless...I get your point.

Mark

Originally posted by WeAreAWAKE
moniker,

On the Bush comment...I understand your point. However, I don't see an equal situation.

If America were attacked by missiles and suicide bombers...Yes...I would expect us to seek a response and a fix from the government responsible for the individuals. If that didn't happen...I would then expect retaliation. (as has been the case with 9/11...mostly)

Much the same, I would expect any other country to attack America with whatever capability they have if we shot missiles at them or provided and supported suicide bombers without America being attacked first.

I would not, however, expect a military reaction in any case, for any "side" because the other doesn't like their politics or beliefs. In short, my stance is..."if everyone stopped fighting for a period of time...and agreed...the next group to fire a shot is the one at fault". I obviously believe that Hamas would be the ones firing that shot, as their people cheered and formed parades in the streets hoping for more.

But regardless...I get your point.

Mark

And I agree with you, however I've found that one sometimes must simplify and exaggerate slightly in order to get the message out. Too much information at once and the point I'm trying to make gets lost in all the noise.

Hopefully this sends a message to the Israeli government that the world does not support and won't tolerate their actions of using disproportionate force in areas that are populated with civilians.

However, Masonwatcher, can you explain why Israel has established this large number of checkpoints and control over Palestinians? Do you really believe it is simply a method to to kill them off (genocide)? Why did these check points become so severe after the al-Aqsa Intifada (2nd Intifada)?

The current state of affairs in the ME cannot be solely blamed on Israel. Regardless of if you believe Israel's occupation of Palestinian land has provoked all these reactions, many situations in history can be compared in similar light. E.g. Native American Indians in areas within the United States. Indigenous Australians within the Australian continent. I doubt you would condone Native American Indians blowing up buildings and firing rockets randomly within the US - even if it is to give attention to past atrocities perpetrated against these people.

Thus, masonwatcher, you will continue to receive that label because you choose to highlight time and again how Israeli occupation of Palestinian land is a legitimate excuse for extremists to cause havoc against Israel. Your mind has been corrupted by the hate you feel for Freemasons in general. That you choose to associate so closely Freemasonry with Zionism, and Zionism with Israel, this allows you to indulge yourself in the notion that Israel is intrinsically evil and the perpetrator of all ME catastrophes.

You have no proof Israel committed this act. Maybe it was hamas with one of their homemade explosives.

Google "The Other Inconvenient Truth" and see for yourself.

[edit on 5-4-2009 by A Conscience]