2 stoned to death for adultery in Iran

reply to post by Dracula23

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There are plenty of cases of the "punishment not fitting the crime", and plenty of them in places other than Iran. Why don't you gripe about those?

It's the way they do things. Who do you think you are to tell them that the way they've been living for thousands of years is wrong because you don't feel the same way, or believe the same thing you do. Who's more wrong? The person who breaks their vows and cheats on their spouce? Or the legal system that upholds the consequences that were laid out PRIOR to the offense taking place.

The lesson here, is if you live in Iran, and want to "play the field", do it before you're married.

This specific scenario is nothing but an illustration of how much more importance their culture places on a persons word. Cheating on your spouse is punishable by stoning. If you're not willing to be buried in sand and have rocks chucked at your skull, keep it in your pants. End of story.

There's probably some alien race out there who vaporizes it's citizens when they're caught going 5 light years an hour over the galactic speed limit. If that's the way they do things, who are we to tell them it's wrong.

So you, my friend, give me a break. You're just like every other fanatic on the planet, trying to make everyone believe what you believe, live how you do, and see everything from your perspective, because yours is the only one that's right. You've been a member here for 3 whole days, and every one of your posts is nothing but hate propaganda against Muslims.

reply to post by Unit541

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Exactly since when did we become the worlds ethics police?

Why should anybody think they should decide what other cultures should follow? Why follow outsiders version of morality?

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As for your argument maybe we should go back a few hundred years and torture people like in the crusades.

Better yet lets go back to the days of Germany when being Jewish was outlawed and punishable by gas chambers. Or maybe the days of slavery in America when being black was considered a lower form of humanity. These were the laws then also…

I think that question pretty much sums it up.

Or to put it another way when did organised religion become it?

What business is it of theirs to judge and condemn people they've never met?

They should be afforded 'absolutely no authority whatsoever' outside their respective temples of worship.
Too bad some countries have been foolish enough to let organised religion insinuate itself into government and law.


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reply to post by karl 12

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Karl I would agree with you but Iran was taken over from the Shaw by supporters of Ayatollah Khomeini and the Iranian government was set up by and answers to their religious leaders.

Everyone has laws regardless of whether they are religious based or not, many are religious based even in western countries. Plenty of laws seem strange to me, for example you get the death penalty for drugs in much of south east asia and in the good old US a guy like Madoff can steal $50 billion and get treated better then most people who haven't broken the law. As strange as some laws might be to me I would prefer to live in any country with laws then one without them.

Tell that to Italy, France, and every other country that used to listen to the Pope

Your right, they need to get the hell over their religion and have a big group orgy already.

They knew the law, and what would happen if Mr. Winkey went traveling.

Its not our place to tell other countries or religions how to live, rule, and judge.

Yes,perhaps all the abrahamic sects/groups/cults are as bad as one another when it comes to attempting to impede progress and limit personal freedom.



I don't know about Italy but France is now a secular nation (and all the better off for it).
Its also interesting that other countries who have dismissed organised religion like Sweden and Norway are the most progressive,well adjusted and well behaved societies of the lot.

Ask yourself: Why were those laws put into place?

Perhaps the Iranian people believe that married people shoudn't, I don't know, HAVE SEX WITH PEOPLE OTHER THAN THEIR SPOUSES?

Look at just the MONETARY burdens that adultery puts on our society.

How many cheating spouses would there be in America once 500 or 1,000 were stoned to death in the town square? You think the rate of cheating on spouses would go down, knowing that if you did so, you'd be killed? (Here's a hint: fear of death is, perhaps, one of the greatest motivators of human behavior).

How many less divorces would there be with such a law?
How many less broken homes would there be with such a law?
How many children WOULDN'T be born out-of-wedlock, but born in homes with two loving parents?
How many children being born to single mothers would be prevented?

HOW MUCH WOULD THE PREVENTION OF ALL OF THE ABOVE SAVE THE TAXPAYER IF SUCH LAWS WERE IN PLACE?

No matter what criticisms you can lay to those kinds of societies, they realize that the foundation of ALL societies lay on the family unit.

reply to post by sir_chancealot

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I suspect your just attempting to justify abrahamic lore - which to my mind is one of the most sociopathic inventions of any religion.
I also suspect if it were up to some extremist christians we'd also be stoning and murdering adulterers here in the West.

Just why are certain religious people so obsessed with the sex lives of people they have never met?




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karl, those quotes cracked me up!!!!!!!! Thanks so much for the laugh. Im emailing those to some friends of mine today.

Isn't it wonderful how peaceful and enlightened these other countries are compared to evil America.

I don't understand why conservatives don't see things the way us liberals see things. Everyone knows that America is evil and that Americans are ignorant and that other cultures and beliefs are so much more advanced then our own.

I like what jesus said he who is without sin cast your first stone no one could. because one way or another we all have done wrong. Did you know it all so say if you look at some one in a lustful way you commit adultry in your heart we are all sinners you cant deny that

MrsDudara -you're welcome
Theres plenty more here - including the classics:
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As for keeping on track with the topic of the thread,I think this ones apt:






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