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Joe the Plumber Calls On Obama to Help Israel

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posted on Jan, 12 2009 @ 02:27 PM
He's got as much right to voice his opinion as anyone else in this country. If someone wants to pay him to do that or to be a reporter of some kind, that's their business, not mine. The freedom of speech and press in the first amendment apply to all citizens, not just a few, and that includes this guy and his employer.

That said, it doesn't necessarily mean I have to be interested in what he has to say, either.

posted on Jan, 12 2009 @ 02:58 PM

Originally posted by Sestias

"Joe the Plumber" (who wasn't exactly a plumber) has now become qualified to be a war correspondent in the middle east. His "fifteen minutes of fame" during McCain's campaign has apparently paid off handsomely.

Calling on Obama to help Israel seems gratuitous, since Obama has given every indication of supporting Israel anyway. Anything to stoke the fires of liberal/conservative partisan warfare.

I just wonder why Joe isn't in the Congo, where tens of thousands are being killed. That's a conflict in which American intervention is really needed.
(visit the link for the full news article)

[edit on 12-1-2009 by Sestias]

Yeah I would like to see this guy go on ahead and tackle the Congo. Dude would go missing his first week there, people murder out there like we drink soda in the States. The sad thing is the Congo has been in DIRE need of help for years and for the most part we keep our noses clear from being anywhere near that mess....Sad.

posted on Jan, 12 2009 @ 03:03 PM
reply to post by vor78

The thing I have to say makes everything your saying crumble is (not opposing what your saying at all by the way, I believe the same but...) this guy is offering his position on the matter? Your sure its his? Because I am pretty sure in today's America he's a working example of how you can buy a persons support with just a little fame,fortune,or a mix of both I suppose...

posted on Jan, 12 2009 @ 06:04 PM
Just saw a segment about Wurzlbacher on MSNBC. He said that journalists should not be allowed on the front lines in war zones; they should just stand on the sidelines and root for the troops, as reporters did during WWII.

So he's saying his job is essentially to provide propaganda for Israel and its allies.

He doesn't appear to recognize the fact that war reporting has changed a lot in the last sixty years. But why should he? His job doesn't require it.

posted on Jan, 12 2009 @ 06:19 PM
Maybe Joe should go get a real Joe-job...maybe a plumber's job...if he can find one. I hear the US job market is pretty shot these days.

Joe plumbdumb who?

Larry the cable guy would have been a better choice IMO.


posted on Jan, 12 2009 @ 06:52 PM
reply to post by Sestias

Shows the level of intelligence you need to have to be consultant for the media. I STILL say we should send him packin for the congo and let him fend for himself and document the experiences because THATS what journalism IS. The eyes and ears of America is what journalists are and that isnt experience talking...thats common sense.

posted on Jan, 12 2009 @ 07:19 PM
reply to post by Averysmallfoxx

I agree. I was serious in saying the Congo needs the world's intervention more than Israel does (she's doing fine all by herself). I think race is a factor in the western world's negligence, but also the incredible complexity of the politics. It's difficult to name a clear victim or a clear perpetrator--no side of the conflict is without blame.

Not only the attention of western powers and journalists is needed, but also U.N. intervention.

But I digress from the subject of this thread.

posted on Jan, 12 2009 @ 07:26 PM
reply to post by Sestias

I would agree about the complexities involved. All sides involved have become survivalistic and there are so very many innocent victims. The only way to untie the nastiest of knots is to focus on one thread at a time until you have nothing but the straight of clarity. Forgive me of my off topic tendency mods!

posted on Jan, 12 2009 @ 07:28 PM
Does everyone forget that "Joe The Plumber" is a) not even named Joe b) not licensed to be a plumber and c) owes taxes to the government he didn't pay?

Also, taking that into consideration that he's not even a plumber and doesn't pay taxes, does anyone remember the ultra nice vehicles he had in his driveway? (assuming they were his)

I can't even put into words how it makes me feel that this nitwit is somehow a correspondent for the American media. That right there tells you how awesome America is! The government is a machine operated by those we don't even know, the people are willful players in the game, I really just want to keep saving up enough money and move the hell out of this country

posted on Jan, 12 2009 @ 07:45 PM
While in so far as integrity is concerned, I would say American Government is just a plain old circus. Its terrible just the fact that politicians, our supposed leaders of leaders are jokingly (but not exactly without merit by any means) synonymous with deceit, greed, and hypocrisy.Its a sad time to be an American.

posted on Jan, 12 2009 @ 07:48 PM
reply to post by Averysmallfoxx

It's not so bad being an American. I'd take being an American living in a pile of stinking $#!T than living in luxury anywhere else.

Our problem is that outsiders thought Americans were dumb. We went to the polls in November and erased all doubt.

And I fail to see the problem with Joe the Plumber. He's apparently able to do things his critics are unable to.

posted on Jan, 12 2009 @ 08:00 PM
no offense dooper but I am going to disagree...with everything lol. I think there are many places far better off than America and not just financially. I also think the way our leaders yank us around like we are dogs waiting for scraps instead of humans demanding equality is just outrageous, surpassing all other insults aside from the one we insult ourselves with. That being enduring it without defiance.

posted on Jan, 12 2009 @ 09:03 PM
OK, so "Joe the Plumber" is actually a Mossad agent, and was probably planted during the election to try and damage Obama's campaign. Next we'll find out that he was involved in 9/11.

posted on Jan, 12 2009 @ 09:22 PM

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
I wonder if he'll write a book about his experiences? You know what he's doing, right?

Palin/Plumber 2012

Say it ain't so, Joe!

God help us all!

I can not believe that we as a people have been so dumbed down that the media call sell us crap like this.

posted on Jan, 12 2009 @ 09:35 PM
reply to post by Averysmallfoxx

We don't get yanked around. I don't.

And you get the government you voted for. The government you vote for, you deserve.

All this financial crap went down under Democratic leadership, under Democratic programs, which amounted to Welfare in Housing.

We just sent those same idiots back, and now we have the Annointed One who will enable them a more complete path to disaster.

posted on Jan, 12 2009 @ 10:29 PM
As an American expat living overseas this Joe the Plumber thing is a horrific embarrassment. It's as if terrible US reality TV has met the news. It is so WTF UNBELIEVABLE I can hardly bring myself to even mention it in this post, it makes me want to violently wretch and renounce my US citizenship ASAP!

posted on Jan, 12 2009 @ 11:10 PM

Originally posted by Cthulwho
OK, so "Joe the Plumber" is actually a Mossad agent, and was probably planted during the election to try and damage Obama's campaign. Next we'll find out that he was involved in 9/11.

Actually,"Joe the Plumber" (as McCain referred to him) is really Samuel Wurzelbacher, who really has no plumber's license, really began his rise to fame and fortune when he was adopted as a "cause celebre" by McCain and his fellow Republicans after he asked a question of Obama at a town hall meeting. Wurzelbacher was concerned that Obama's proposed tax increase for those making over 250k a year would be a hardship for him, an aspiring plumber.

The rest, as they say, is history. The money poured in. The public appearances were demanded. "Joe the Plumber," the average all-American guy who had the courage to confront Obama and confide in McCain, was embraced by true-blue Americans and his quarter of a million a year was assured.

I think Benevolent Heretic was only half-joking when she posted the "Palin-Plumber" ticket for 2012.

posted on Jan, 12 2009 @ 11:14 PM
Um, sorry Dooper... I hate to do this to you....

Iraq War - $845 billion source
Bailouts to date - $7.4 trillion source

Let's not forget too that these socialist bailouts were from a neo-conservative die hard who preached "free market capitalism."

This economic crisis happened under REPUBLICAN leadership. Bush/Cheney/Paulson

I'm not saying Democrats are saints or anything, the whole system is a sham, but this is the worst administration in American history. Find 1, just 1 administration that has wracked up an 8 trillion dollar tab. I dare you.

I understand completely that in economics, there is a lag between policy and real world implications in the market. I, however, have NEVER heard of an 8 year lag before the policy then takes its direct effect. Keep in mind Bush and co. has been there for 8 years and this crisis hit in the 4th quarter of their ballgame, just as they get to leave for lifelong vacay and dump the mess on someone else.

We do not elect cabinet members. We only get to choose from 2 candidates (the 2 dominant parties will always win with the system we have in America) for President, the VP is chosen by them. We have shady business left and right with "voter fraud," recounts, Geb Bush in Florida anyone?, Michigan, Ohio.... No dooper, the government we has is NOT one we deserve. But that is highly opinionated, what a human being deserves. I want more out of life than the option to get a PC cell phone or a $5 cup of coffee from Starbucks, I want more out of life than a government that tortures, more than a government that places a prison out of US so they can get away with whatever they want, I want more out of life than a government who bails out the biggest businesses in America while small businesses/families/40-60 hr a week blue collar workers go bankrupt, I want more out of life than a country where you can commit a $50 billion ponzi scheme then get sent to their room .. LITERALLY. I want more out of life than a country full of ignorant masses who have no clue what their government is doing. I want more out of life than a country that wiretaps your phone. I want more out of a country than an illegal federal income tax. I want more out of life than a central bank that has enslaved my parents, myself, my kids, their kids, their kids, etc

America is like a hooker with HIV. Nice exterior, probably fake boobs, pretty face with plenty of makeup, knows how to work it, attractive/posh clothing...but dying on the inside.

I won't even get into where America ranks in education, crime, infancy rate, literacy rate, economy, health care etc. If you still think America is sooo awesome, look up any one of those and you will see a true testament to American society.

If I had to guess, you're over 30... probably a bit older than that, and you grew up getting taught that America was Number 1 and could do no evil. You can live in your fantasy land, I'll live with the factual information about the United States...

posted on Jan, 12 2009 @ 11:27 PM
This is so easy its silly actually.
Joe needed a paycheck as he sure wasnt running a good plumbing business at all last I heard. Was he even licensed? Second Israel again is Desperate too get the US people in favor of Israel views and actions however Extreme.
So for a lot of PR $$$$ you enlist your buddies at Faux News or similar recruitment farm too get you a good old Everyday American looking Pro(paid to be) Israel agenda believing American.
What Rush wasnt available? JK.
BTW I am Not Anti Israel at all. I just see No good in them subjecting so many around them with ever more loss of life.
Honestly the whole scene is just terrible.
I do pray for a peaceful and lasting solution though.

posted on Jan, 12 2009 @ 11:30 PM

Originally posted by dooper
And I fail to see the problem with Joe the Plumber.

His name is not Joe.
He is not actually a plumber.
He does not pay taxes.
He has ridden a tidal wave of media BS by being a complete dope, a man that appeals to the "average guy." That's why he is "Joe the Plumber" not "Samuel The Tax Evader"

gee, he sounds like one of those leeches you were talking about that we need to get off their butt and into a real job, huh? Maybe we can get him back over here and help him get a plumbers license so he can do the real thing, whaddya say?

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