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reply posted on 16-1-2009 @ 11:16 AM by juveous
Originally posted by TasteTheMagick
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post by FlyersFan


It is not a selfish thing to do and to say that it is done to make the mother's life convenient is only proof of your own blindness to the situation.


Really? how?. how is abortion not selfish.
The mothers life continues with progress, her life is better if she has an abortion correct?
So she discards the fetus inside her, knowing if she kept the fetus alive she would have given birth to a new born baby that would later possess the ability to express appreciation for being alive.

Am I blind for seeing this? Yep, its her choice, no problem, but to say this it is not being selfish is blind IMO.


reply posted on 16-1-2009 @ 12:29 PM by TasteTheMagick
reply to post by juveous



How is she being selfish if she knows that she can not provide for the child? How is she being selfish if she knows that the child will suffer pain it's whole life?


reply posted on 16-1-2009 @ 12:57 PM by juveous
Originally posted by TasteTheMagick
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post by juveous



How is she being selfish if she knows that she can not provide for the child? How is she being selfish if she knows that the child will suffer pain it's whole life?


She knows this? she knows for a fact the child will suffer pain (physical or psychological) their whole life? That is a broad assumption and the excuse to responsibility

. I want you to just think about this for a minute. She is choosing that the child should not exist to save the child from suffering. Now think about everyone who is brought up in this world through struggle, suffer, anguish, do think they would rather to have just never have been born at all? through a life's struggle, is there ever moments of unconditional love? Just questions...

It is the failed attempt that we believe we can predict the conditions of our future and the futures of others to the point of refusing the experience all together that makes us think there is no problem with abortion.

[edit on 16-1-2009 by juveous]



reply posted on 16-1-2009 @ 01:01 PM by TasteTheMagick
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She has the ability to, as in the situations given in the OP. Moreover she KNOWS whether or not she can provide for the child. This is not "predicting" the fate of the child. And if you're so sure that there not are people that would rather be dead, how do you explain suicide?


reply posted on 16-1-2009 @ 02:49 PM by FlyersFan
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A very well stated and mature post. I agree with you.

The OP asked if abortion is always wrong, so I'm responding to that.
It's always wrong - not illegal, but wrong - except in the case to save
the life of the mother. Abortion stops a beating heart. That's homicide.


reply posted on 16-1-2009 @ 06:08 PM by 44soulslayer
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Lets not segue here, because itll be a big detour!

But isn't it presumptuous to think that any woman can go against the eternal will of God?


reply posted on 16-1-2009 @ 07:18 PM by DantesLost
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On the other hand, some say until birth, the "child" is under the possession of the mother, who has every right to do what is necessary for the sake of a progressive future.


That could be said of a child after birth.
But when a father or mother kills their child after it is born it is murder.No one argues to the contrary and says that the child is the possession of their parents.

I agree though,the definitions are not very clear and it is something that needs to be dealt with sooner rather than later.

[edit on 16-1-2009 by DantesLost]


reply posted on 17-1-2009 @ 10:29 AM by TasteTheMagick
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Now, see you've changed your word from murder to homicide. You're the one with the fault in logic here. What you fail to see is that it is NOT done "just to make the mother's life easier", here it is you who is blind and selfish.

What about the teen girls that get pregnant? Many of them are disowned by their families, so you can say goodbye to the help there. And while you may preach up, down and sideways about adoption but that has numerous flaws in that system as well.

You are making no actual point of argument other than your opinion that abortion is wrong. It's obviously not murder because the very definition of the word rules that out. It's not done just to make the mother's life easier, no one ever really can prove that, or at least you people never do.

It seems like you would prefer that girls try and perform abortions illegally and pose more danger to themselves. Or that you'd like the rate of abandoned children to skyrocket. And I guess it wouldn't matter to you if there were even more girls dropping out of school to raise babies. Yeah, a real great world you've got there.

Maybe, if we prevent enough abortions, we could end up like China complete with child bearing restrictions! Wouldn't that just be wonderful!?


reply posted on 17-1-2009 @ 03:35 PM by DantesLost
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We need to unnecessarily overpopulate orphanages so that eventually we can be like China!


So is your concern for over population of the planet or for the fact that its the woman's body she can do wants she wants? And does doing what she wants include ignoring the father's choice,if he wants the child that is?
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