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British husband told he's too fat to adopt.

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posted on Jan, 13 2009 @ 03:24 AM
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sorry one more point

if and when i have my own children i would certainly not let them become fat they would get fed properly im sure i would almost be militant about it
and i have looked up enough about food and eating i could probably be a dietitian
im sure fat people hate fat alot more than any of you do they wouldnt hope it on there worst enemy

and the internet is the only safe place for you fat hatters because say it to my face and well you can guess
you wouldnt have the balls anyways




posted on Jan, 13 2009 @ 04:40 AM
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I sympathise with your plight, as I said some people just have these problems in their genes or otherwise have gained some other problems that prevent the weight loss.

I don't know if you have a bone to pick with me about it but I couldn't care less about fat/obese, I just dis-like people who are clearly unhealthy as a result of abusing their body. From what you are saying you are healthy on which I congratulate you. I form the relative opposite to the spectrum.

I'm 5'10" and weigh 56kg and have done since I was about 14.
I can't gain weight even if I eat twice as much as everybody else. Worse, if for some short period of time I eat food that is "healthy" or doesnt have much protein/ fat content then I lose weight rapidly and it takes months to return to 56kg where it stops.

Just like yourself people see me as unhealthy because of my size. despite that I could easily run a half marathon in respectable time and I can carry as much as the next person in weight too. With exception to my epilepsy, I am healthy, but people can't see that I have that.

For me the problem is not about size it's purely about health, don't tell me you haven't seen very large people wheezing and sweating after one flight of stairs, and conversly very thin people who are so frail that they might snap if you poked them.

Fat is not the new black, Shape and Size is the new Colour.



posted on Jan, 13 2009 @ 04:40 AM
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it double posted somehow
please delete

[edit on 13-1-2009 by CloudySkye]



posted on Jan, 13 2009 @ 05:10 AM
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Originally posted by tezzajw
Please supply your data to support this claim.


Ok.

www.kidsource.com...



The risk of becoming obese is greatest among children who have two obese parents (Dietz, 1983). This may be due to powerful genetic factors or to parental modeling of both eating and exercise behaviors, indirectly affecting the child's energy balance. One half of parents of elementary school children never exercise vigorously (Ross & Pate, 1987).



Originally posted by tezzajw
Remember that this fat parent wants to adopt. The child will not have the fat parent's genetics.

Are you suggesting that environmental factors influence a child more than genetics?


I am saying genetics play a small part yes. The reason i say this is that if you take a morbidly obese person blaming it on genetics and drop them into a famine then they will quickly lose weight. Obese parents eat to much, the children will see this and think it's perfectly fine. Furthermore the obese parents are likely to serve portions of food that are to large and/or to full of fat and salt.



posted on Jan, 13 2009 @ 06:27 AM
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Tezz, what you have to understand is that prospective foster parents have to be closely vetted, this will include everything from a criminal background checks to their own health and well being. If said FP's don't meet the standards that means the system works and children will be protected, what cannot you understand about that.

Obesity is a problem seperate to this issue and yes its become the new black issue here is the UK but the LA's have a duty to protect the child and not the adopter. They have to give the children the best possible chance and therefore they adhere to strict controls and guidelines.



posted on Jan, 13 2009 @ 08:09 AM
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I have been on a plane and in a movie theater where some fat slob was spilling over into my seat. If they can't fit on one seat intended for average people, let them pay for 2 or even 3 seats.

I'm tired of this discrimination against fattys. Is the whole world supposed to adjust to consider gelatinous blobs the norm ?

The fat guy should not be allowed to adopt. Its obvious he is a risk to drop dead at any moment. Does a newly adopted kid really need that ?



posted on Jan, 13 2009 @ 08:26 AM
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Originally posted by dean007
sorry one more point

if and when i have my own children i would certainly not let them become fat they would get fed properly im sure i would almost be militant about it
and i have looked up enough about food and eating i could probably be a dietitian
im sure fat people hate fat alot more than any of you do they wouldnt hope it on there worst enemy

and the internet is the only safe place for you fat hatters because say it to my face and well you can guess
you wouldnt have the balls anyways


I agree with you Dean. I was pretty normal sized for most of my life, except for grade 8 where i was pretty chubby, I guess puberty but without me doing anything to change it my body went back to normal. In my mid 20s I started gaining weight and and I am over weight now. I have two kids, no they are not responsible for my weight gain, and neither is over weight. I keep healthy snacks in the house at all times, we don't go to fast food places more then 2 or 3 times a year, they don't drink pop/soda more then once every couple of months (mostly at grand-ma's), They are both pretty active and besides playing in the back yard and sports after school, their school has a very active physical education program to promote health.

I would NEVER wish for my kids to be overweight and I am honestly doing what I can to teach them to have a better mindset then myself.



posted on Jan, 13 2009 @ 11:05 AM
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500 pounds = 226.796185 kilograms

i googled it

this is probably goin to sound silly the big show the wrestler weighs that much, now he would be considerd a athleat and also morbidly obease if he was to apply to adopt a child consinderin his fame and fanical security i am sure it would not be taken into consideration.

any way jst my 2 cence

peace batch



posted on Jan, 13 2009 @ 11:26 AM
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maybe not, but they should purely for the copious amounts of steroids he proably has used that will more than likely prematurely end his life.
Besides if we're talking WWF i'm not really sure you CAN call him an athlete, just a performer. That and they can say he weighs whatever they want..



posted on Jan, 13 2009 @ 12:05 PM
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It also needs to be said that overweight people can be just as healthy as normal weight folks.

It all depends on how they got that way, and what their diet is like.

I got fat by eating a lot of cane sugar, avocadoes, fresh meat, grains, fruits and veggies, potatoes, etc., and my blood sugar, cholesterol, and heart rate/blood pressure are completely normal, despite the fact that I weigh 300 lbs..

If a person gets fat by eating a bunch of twinkies and skittles and other trash food, then they're necessarily going to be unhealthy - a skinny person with that diet would be just as unhealthy.

Being overweight can be a symptom of disease, but it's not a causative factor in disease. The 'science' surrounding this subject is pathetic, and it wouldn't even pass muster in high school class. If someone is overweight and they have a liver problem, then their liver problem must automatically be the result of their weight. It's asinine, makes no sense whatsoever.

Fact is, there are plenty of fat, healthy people in the world. Maybe this guy is one of them, and if that's the case, you've robbed him of a chance to not only do some good in the world by taking in a foster child, but you've also cheated the child out of a loving home.

And yeah, you should hear yourselves. I guess the internet helped you overcome your fear.


I've never heard anyone say that kind of stuff in person. Go figure.



posted on Jan, 13 2009 @ 12:25 PM
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No offense, but the state shouldn't have to cater to each individual. They don't have the resources to create rules on a case by case basis.

Perhaps he is 'healthy' fat, perhaps he isn't. That doesn't change the fact that he just barely disqualifies himself from adoption. He is classified medically as being morbidly obese, thus his body has become affected by the disease of obesity. If he truly wanted to adopt the child, why not shed a couple pounds?

Yes, perhaps there are bodybuilders with a 40+ BMI, but they aren't affected by obesity. A cursory glance at this fella shows that it is his body fat that affects his BMI, not his muscle mass.

I'll say it again: if he truly wanted to adopt, he wouldn't give a flip about an obesity rule that he barely fails. He'd do what it takes to provide a loving, stable home to the child. I bet he could easily go from a 42 to a 40 in a month's time, but what is he doing? Interviews on BBC. Mmmmkay...

Seriously, the husband and wife are both scoffing at the idea of him having to drop a few pounds during the assessment period. Are you kidding me?



posted on Jan, 13 2009 @ 01:13 PM
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maby they are profomers im nt hear to argue but id say they have to stay in shape weather its fake fighting or not.
he did a thing with floyd mayweather and the weighd him on telly live so im prety sure that is his weight.
i feel like it should be about situation not about ur bmi i mean i have a bmi of 35 and count as obess but its musscle not fat as im a mma fighter so if i whent up to be a heavyweight i canot adopt evan tho im in gd shape and work out 5 days a week seams strange to me

just my opinions



posted on Jan, 13 2009 @ 04:16 PM
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Originally posted by Avenginggecko
No offense, but the state shouldn't have to cater to each individual. They don't have the resources to create rules on a case by case basis.

No offence, but the state SHOULD have to cater to each individual. They are placing INDIVIDUAL children with new INDIVIDUAL families, possibly for life.

Unless each adoption is assessed individually, you'll have lots of worthy people missing out on the chance to care for a new child.

It should be a requirement of the state that their resources allow them to treat every application as a different family, offering different qualities for raising a child.

What do you want the process to involve, fill out a form, crank the government machine's handle and then pop out an answer?



posted on Jan, 13 2009 @ 04:27 PM
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Tez, again when are you going to understand that adoption is about the child and not the foster parents. The child takes priority not them. As long as they pass the vetting process they are OK and those who don't should not be allowed to foster children. Despite the fact that there is a shortage of foster parents one should not dilute the rules just to suit anyone.



posted on Jan, 13 2009 @ 04:45 PM
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Originally posted by tezzajw

Originally posted by Avenginggecko
No offense, but the state shouldn't have to cater to each individual. They don't have the resources to create rules on a case by case basis.

No offence, but the state SHOULD have to cater to each individual. They are placing INDIVIDUAL children with new INDIVIDUAL families, possibly for life.

Unless each adoption is assessed individually, you'll have lots of worthy people missing out on the chance to care for a new child.

It should be a requirement of the state that their resources allow them to treat every application as a different family, offering different qualities for raising a child.

What do you want the process to involve, fill out a form, crank the government machine's handle and then pop out an answer?


Adoptions are assessed on an individual, case by case basis. If you'll read the article you posted, the couple scoffed at the idea of losing weight to even undergo an assessment period. To adopt a child in a first-world country, you have to meet a minimum amount of requirements, then they asses your life over a time period and determine you aren't a whacko or abusive maniac or something, and then they approve the adoption.

In the UK, refusing to treat yourself of a completely treatable disease means to the government that you don't take this fragile life seriously enough to raise it. Sorry, it's medically proven that morbid obesity is bad. It's a burden on the individual, their family, their social circle, and their society. It's also treatable. I have no compassion for a man who claims to want a child but won't work for it. Do you not see something wrong with that?

Of course I'm not surprised that he's more than willing to whine and complain from the comfort of his sofa. Seems more than typical of a man with a lazy mentality brought on by a lifestyle of self-inflicted obesity.

No, I have no proof it was self-inflicted. It just seems that way. Perhaps he could rise above the stereotype, work off the pounds, and prove me wrong.



posted on Jan, 13 2009 @ 05:23 PM
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I remember a similar case from several years ago,where the man and the woman had both been told they were too overweight to raise children.

This was despite the fact that they went to 7! different doctors who each gave both of them a clean bill of health.

The problem in today's world is that people equal fat with being unfit more than ever before.

I am now classed as 'very overweight' by today's standards yet I go hiking every weekend over hill and dale at a distance of 10-20 miles.My closest friend has always struggled to do this,yet she weighs only 8 stone.(she's one of those naturally skinny people)Why does she struggle to do this? Because she smokes like a chimney and drinks like a navvie.

How you treat your body is more important than how you look.But this happens all the time,and has happened in this case.

From article in the OP.


"It's hard to lose weight under pressure. I'm not a couch potato and I don't sit eating takeaways every night.

"I just feel as though we were only judged on my weight and not all the other good things about us.
"We don't drink or smoke and we could give a child a happy and safe home."



posted on Jan, 13 2009 @ 05:32 PM
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I come from Cambridgeshire UK. My family nearly had to put me in council care (aren't I a naughty boy). As it turns out in my late teens to early twenties, it turned out that Cambridge Council care services were riddled with paedophile rings. As a child I was bright, inquisitive and trusting and would have been raped from wall to wall. I think that the perverts who want to seduce children to their dark webs need to lay off 'smokers,' and now the latest, 'fat' people, and stick to their kiddy fiddling porn.



posted on Jan, 13 2009 @ 05:54 PM
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What does the child care?

Heck if I was abandoned, I'd go with any non-rapist that will adopt me.

Fat guy? Well MORE FOOD =D.



posted on Jan, 13 2009 @ 05:58 PM
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That "more Food" is exactly the problem.



posted on Jan, 13 2009 @ 05:58 PM
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Argh!

Why does it keep double posting my stuff!

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