North Korea making bellicose threat of nuclear war

Not sure if this is "other" or "terror" forum, I'll try here.

Well Little Kim's at it again, A new threat claiming the U.S. was driving the peninsula into nuclear war was made today by the government controlled press in Pyong Yang.

North Korea on "Brink of Nuclear War"

From the article,
"The Stalinist state's official news agency accused Washington of "driving the military situation on the Korean peninsula to the brink of a nuclear war" with plans for a pre-emptive strike on North Korea."
"In the commentary the North Korean news agency said Pyongyang had no choice but to boost its nuclear weapons drive in the face of US intransigence and its "moves to put the strategy of pre-emptive nuclear attack into practice."

Seems to me everytime the U.S. gets involved in a crisis elsewhere, little Kim pops up and starts with the threats again.

You're right. N.Korea belongs in this section.

insane! duck an cover its comming right for us!

Blah Blah freaken blah. The DPRK says stuff like this all the time. It's about as serious as China's yearly white paper nuclear war threat to the US.

You have to be really naive and a bit stupid not to take any threats from nations, or any terrorist organization, that have WMD seriously....

Originally posted by Muaddib
You have to be really naive and a bit stupid not to take any threats from nations, or any terrorist organization, that have WMD seriously....

And they'd have to be really naive and stupid to MAKE those threats to the world's most powerful country - one that shoots first, asks questions second. Makes ya wonder, if Al Qaeda is smart and powerful enough to organize such a thing as 9/11, were they stupid enough to NOT predict the outcome: Destruction of their homeland, killing of thousands of Muslims by the US, and the hunt for Al Qaeda by US and other nations?

Something doesn't add up. A thug on the street might not see past his own nose, but an international terrorist organization who can outsmart the security of the #1 superpower in the world... unlikely. Unless of course... Al Qaeda really had nothing to do with 9/11 at all....

[Edited on 9-4-2004 by lilblam]

Unless it was Al-Qaeda's goal to get the US to retaliate so they could "show the muslim people that we (the US) are attacking them and what they believe in." This way, they are cast in a better light when they kill Americans and they also might receive more support.

I'm not sure where you get the evidence that Sept. 11th was a government conspiracy from, unless you're digging really deep and molding things to fit a predetermined belief.

[Edited on 9-4-2004 by Cutwolf]

[Edited on 9-4-2004 by Cutwolf]

Originally posted by Cutwolf
Unless it was Al-Qaeda's goal to get the US to retaliate so they could "show the muslim people that we (the US) are attacking them and what they believe in." This way, they are cast in a better light when they kill Americans. And they also might get more support.

I'm not sure where the evidence you get for Sept. 11th being a government conspiracy from, unless you're digging really deep and molding things.

[Edited on 9-4-2004 by Cutwolf]

*Co-Signs*

Originally posted by Cutwolf
Unless it was Al-Qaeda's goal to get the US to retaliate so they could "show the muslim people that we (the US) are attacking them and what they believe in." This way, they are cast in a better light when they kill Americans and they also might receive more support.

I'm not sure where you get the evidence that Sept. 11th was a government conspiracy from, unless you're digging really deep and molding things to fit a predetermined belief.

Not really, I just listened to the official story and it doesn't add up. I look at the attack itself and the events that followed, and things just don't add up. I don't have a pre-determined "belief", but if all the signs are pointing towards a specific conclusion, would it not be ignorant to IGNORE them and go into denial? Do you think that hole in the Pentagon was made by a 757?

Originally posted by Muaddib
You have to be really naive and a bit stupid not to take any threats from nations, or any terrorist organization, that have WMD seriously....

Umm, well actually in order to be really stupid on this subject you'd have to be ignorant of it. Seeing as you would take it seriously than I will have to assume you're ignorant of the subject completely. Why not stick to calling people stupid in a thread where you know more about a subject than they do?

Here's the NK news in english, if you keep up with it about every 2-4 weeks they will threaten in one way or another a nuclear war with the US. Big freaken deal, it would take 1 whole bomb to take them off the face of the map and the reason they make those threats is to basically black mail the US for stuff.

www.kcna.co.jp...

Cutwolf, i agree with you. Who is actually gaining anything at all from all this? Not the US, half of the world is now against us, just because we decided to take care of terrorism.

I was just talking on the phone with a friend of mine that I grew up with in Spain, she came to the States to stay with her boyfriend, she knows that the sudden change in power in Spain is bad, and says that change of power was because people are afraid. She still has family in Spain, who to me are like a second family. I also have family in Spain.

People in Spain changed their votes from "El Partido Popular" to the socialists because they were scared into doing it. I hope they see their error and rectify it before they can't do anything about it.

If you really want to blame somebody, try to find out those that are right now "really benefitting" with everything that is happening. There is enough evidence that others (rather that the US) are greatly benefitting from all of this.

"Irish expert claims Venezuela is helping terrorists via China and North Korea

According to El Universal, Irish writer Gordon Thomas claims that Venezuela has links with terrorism.

Attending an Iberian American Intelligence Services seminar in Bogota organized by Colombian secret service (DAS), Thomas says Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez Frias is "quite an unusual President, who allows links with North Korea to supply arms to terrorist groups, such as the 35-year old Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC)."

The expert warns about the role of Venezuela in the increase of international terrorist groups in Latin America, especially because of that country's relation with China and North Korea."

Excerpt taken from.
www.vheadline.com...

"Before leaving for Afghanistan after holding talks with Pakistani officials here, Haqqani, who is also the minister for frontier regions, told reporters "China is still assisting the Taliban in the war against the US".

Excerpt taken from.
www.tibet.ca...

Umm, well actually in order to be really stupid on this subject you'd have to be ignorant of it. Seeing as you would take it seriously than I will have to assume you're ignorant of the subject completely. Why not stick to calling people stupid in a thread where you know more about a subject than they do?

JohnSmith... i guess the way you see it then it is smart just to not take seriously anyone who has a gun and is threatening to use it against other people... Much less a country with nuclear capabilities making threats to use them....





[Edited on 10-4-2004 by Muaddib]

Did you not read all that I wrote? They threaten it all the time, as does china to an extent. It's not big news, it's not new news and it's not really important news.

They want the US to sign a no attack agreement, they want food, they want fuel etc.... Threatening us with a war is how they think they will get that. It worked with Clinton and presidents before him. I think it's smart to take things how they are meant and not blow them out of proportion.

I do not buy that JohnSmith, nations that make threats are not a bluff that shouldn't be taken into consideration.

As part of his proposed reforms, Rumsfied and another Pentagon official had named the "Pacific Ocean as the most likely theater of major military operations, as China becomes more powerful," the paper said.

edition.cnn.com...

Humm, guess the US doesn't take those threats made by China and North Korea as just a bluff...

"Chinese Defense Minister Gen. Chi Haotian publicly said: 'War [with the United States] is inevitable; we cannot avoid it. The issue is that the Chinese armed forces must control the initiative in this war. � We must be prepared to fight for one year, two years, or even longer." (NewsMax.com, 4-9-01). "

Excerpt taken from.
www.newsmax.com...

"one that shoots first, asks questions second."

and you'd have to be REALLY naive and stupid to think thats all there is to it

"Did you not read all that I wrote? They threaten it all the time, as does china to an extent. It's not big news, it's not new news and it's not really important news. "


"The boy who cried wolf" comes to mind.....

Not really, I just listened to the official story and it doesn't add up. I look at the attack itself and the events that followed, and things just don't add up. I don't have a pre-determined "belief", but if all the signs are pointing towards a specific conclusion, would it not be ignorant to IGNORE them and go into denial? Do you think that hole in the Pentagon was made by a 757?

Well, I would like you to point out some inconsistancies in the story. And if I recall, they didn't say at 757 crashed into the pentagon - I coulda sworn I read it was a smaller plane. But even so, are you in expert in what planes cause what damage when crashing into things?

Yes I did, but for what reason do you think the rest of the world is asking North Korea to abandon it's WMD programs?

If they did not consider for a moment that it is possible that NK will one day use a nuclear weapon, why would almost everyone in the international community ask them to abandon their WMD and other illegal programs?

The US and the rest of the world will not just bow down to NK and give them everything they want as long as they continue their desire to threaten everyone with using nuclear bombs to obtain what they want. North Korea is regarded as a rogue state.

The US and the rest of the world will continue to try and make some kind of treaty with North Korea until it decides to abandon their WMD, and other illegal programs.

Three things could happen.

One, it could be possible, but unprobable, that North Korea will abandon their WMD and other illegal programs and then will be accepted as a partner in the international community, doing this will assure that their situation will improve.

Two, North Korea will continue to use threats of using its nuclear capabilities if it does not obtain aid, which noone is giving them enough to last long, because for the benefit of everyone involved, it is better if NK abandons its WMD programs. If this last longer NK will starve their people, fall into an economic collapse, and deepen in self-isolation.

Three, By the way Kim Jong II has been acting for the past years it is very possible he will use in test a nuclear weapon so that everyone will see that he won't budge, if this happens all hell breaks lose.

Dealing with North Korea is difficult. It is immensely frustrating. Many people regard its government as the poster child for rogue regimes. North Korea has failed at so many things, including even delivering the most basic human needs to its people. Food. Fuel. A minimal standard of living.

Excerpt taken from.
www.state.gov...

Uhhh, Cheney happens to be visiting. Just an attention ploy by the Lil' Kim Posse.

We are not headed for a nuke war. Everytime an American heavy visits the region, just like a pissed off chimp, N.Korea starts banging on the cage hoping for a treat and some attention.

You can almost set your watch to them....

[Edited on 10-4-2004 by Facefirst]

Originally posted by lilblam

I don't have a pre-determined "belief", but if all the signs are pointing towards a specific conclusion, would it not be ignorant to IGNORE them and go into denial? Do you think that hole in the Pentagon was made by a 757?

Of course the damage was done by the airliner. If not?... then please tell me how did the wreckage and the passenger's bodies get into the Pentagon? Are you going to tell me that they put the twisted and burned wreckage of a 757 into the Pentagon ahead of time? Or that they put the dead bodies in the Pentagon before the attacks? And no one noticed?

Unbelievable.

I still can't believe that people don't want to believe that a bunch of middle-eastern rednecks caught us with our pants down.

[Edited on 10-4-2004 by Facefirst]