Enough. It's time for a boycott, page 4
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reply posted on 11-1-2009 @ 10:47 PM by Allegory of Illumination
Originally posted by detachedindividual
reply to post by infolurker


This shouldn't even deserve a response, but I will.

I have seen Israeli children writing messages on the bombs being dropped on other children in Gaza.

So when you wake up and realize that Muslim doesn't automatically mean "Terrorist", I might just have a debate with you.

Stop pretending you know what every person in Gaza is thinking and who they support, and start realizing that those kids do not deserve to be murdered by Israel.



Thank you.
It's that type of ignorance that is a main problem & counter productive to what we truly need right now.


reply posted on 11-1-2009 @ 11:24 PM by ProfEmeritus
reply to post by Loadmaster




This conversation is a perfect description of how people just don't understand the middle eastern cultures. It's laughable to hear you folks talk about something that you clearly don't understand.

I don't know your background, but let me tell you a little about mine. I worked with, and lived among Muslims in the ME for a considerable period of time. Most of the people were no different from others that I know in America. They have families, aspirations, and dreams for their children. Most condemn violence, suicide bombings, and want peace for their families.
It seems you are accepting the Western stereotype of the average person over there having nothing to lose, and willing to die for their cause. In fact, nothing could be further from the truth. Although many have very little, they wish for a better world for their children. Are some desperate? Of course, just as some are desperate in America, or England, or any other country. But not all of them act on that desperation? If you were there, how would you act, in their place?


reply posted on 12-1-2009 @ 12:26 AM by Anonymous ATS
Don't give the NWO a reason for another idiot like Mandela, by playing into the staged game, geez. Do you have any idea what has happened to South Africa, Mandelatopia? It's a bloody hell hole since the IMF sprung the poster boy from hell, 50 to 100 murders a day, 800 to 2000 rapes a day, 2000+ car jackings and house invasions a day. If you get raped in South Africa, your odds of getting AIDS are 1:1.00012. South Africa is just full of the "gifts" that just keep on taking. So, do we want that for Israel and the Palestinians? I don't think so.

If we get another IMF sponsored poster boy for terror for the Palestinians and everyone eats it up just like with Mandela, then the problems of the south created by people like Mandela, Mbeki and Robber Mugarbage (Zimbabwe) will be visited upon the north. Please remember that all these IMF sponsored idiots are Marxists and terrorists and they are all in bed together with the banks and large corporations. Their poster boys are all hand picked, they don't rise to the surface out of thier own actions, they are put there through ad campaigns and someone is always waiting for a payday. Corporations aren't democracies you know, they pretend to be socialist but really they are just run of the mill dictatorships and the IMF or any government on the planet are not exceptions. But, what is the next step in defending oppression? Shall we allow the IMF and their other corporate buddies to seize land for supposed hate crimes and opinions.

I realize that something strong has to be done to help the Palestinians and the Israeli's sort out their problems, but asking to use the psychological model levered against South Africa is just stupid. It's like saying we want the 111,000 laws of the EU and their dictatorship model for a North American Union.


reply posted on 12-1-2009 @ 12:31 AM by Alpha_Magnum
Here a video from Chan 2


The Israeli politician wished the IDF had self censored and this is old now too.



reply posted on 12-1-2009 @ 03:33 AM by gravitational
Originally posted by detachedindividual
Originally posted by infolurker
Originally posted by detachedindividual
reply to post by infolurker


This shouldn't even deserve a response, but I will.

I have seen Israeli children writing messages on the bombs being dropped on other children in Gaza.

So when you wake up and realize that Muslim doesn't automatically mean "Terrorist", I might just have a debate with you.

Stop pretending you know what every person in Gaza is thinking and who they support, and start realizing that those kids do not deserve to be murdered by Israel.




Sir,

I only know what I see and don't pretend to know anything I do not. Please post the videos.


Here you go...

(Warning: Contains graphic images)

Link

Now, go ahead and tell me again how Hamas are indoctrinating their kids, then tell me that Israel isn't doing the same.

If you support Israel, you support them firing on the UN, leaving children to starve beside their dead families, refusing international media access. You are supporting war crimes, the murder of civilians, the refusal of medical care to the injured...

I keep having to state the above, because pro-Israel posters keep ducking and avoiding the proof of what Israel is doing. They don't want to face what is actually happening, what Israel is doing.
I haven't seen one pro-Israel poster actually answer to the Red Cross, UN, Amnesty International statements that war crimes are being committed.

So, come on, are you going to actually face these questions, or are you going to again state (just like all the others) "rockets fired into Israel!!!!" as a method of defending the mass-murder of people in Gaza?

Get your head out of the sand and stop ignoring what Israel is doing in Gaza.
I don't care what religion you are, surely you cannot believe that killing and maiming thousands of innocent people is acceptable?

*waits for several pro-Israel posters to answer with nothing more than "...firing rockets into Israel! blah blah blah"*


You are a demagogue and spume disinformation.

This was taken during 2006 Lebanon war and it says : "To Hezbollah with love".


reply posted on 12-1-2009 @ 04:46 AM by LoneWeasel
Two points occur to me here. One is that a key aspect of Israel's strategy towards Palestine has been to strangle any industry the Palestinian people might themselves seek to set up. Those living in the Gaza strip are forced to buy Israeli goods and services because they cannot start their own businesses. This article by Avi Shlaim, Professor of international relations at Oxford University, and formerly a serving member of the Israeli army, explains exactly what his country has been up to:

Link to article

The key excerpt being:


Four decades of Israeli control did incalculable damage to the economy of the Gaza Strip. With a large population of 1948 refugees crammed into a tiny strip of land, with no infrastructure or natural resources, Gaza's prospects were never bright. Gaza, however, is not simply a case of economic under-development but a uniquely cruel case of deliberate de-development. To use the Biblical phrase, Israel turned the people of Gaza into the hewers of wood and the drawers of water, into a source of cheap labour and a captive market for Israeli goods. The development of local industry was actively impeded so as to make it impossible for the Palestinians to end their subordination to Israel and to establish the economic underpinnings essential for real political independence.


So for people in Palestine this sort of boycott simply isn't an option. That might add a different perspective and interest to such a campaign being waged elsewhere.

However, the second point I would make is in reference to the OP's comparison to a global political movement that dealt with South African apartheid. That may to some extent be true, but the alarming thing about the comparison is that the policy of apartheid in South Africa lasted from 1948 until the early 1990s - the best part of 50 years. 50 years is time that those who live in the Gaza strip simply do not have. If things continue as they are, the chances are that the Gaza strip as a Palestinian enclave simply won't exist in 50 years time.

So while I support people standing up for what they believe in, it would be my view that the beseiged population need urgent, political support and they need it now. If they are forced to depend on public boycotts and protests for assistance, it may be that time runs out for them altogether...

LW


reply posted on 12-1-2009 @ 06:38 AM by sy.gunson
reply to post by ProfEmeritus




How do you know what everyone has or has not protested since 2005? That is a rather bold statement. Are you omniscient?


No mate, I don't live in "11 dimensional space" and wear cool cloaks to wow the audience.

It's just you whingers are just all so predictable. I don't need to be omnipresent. Not a single one of you has bothered in the past three years to lead a protest against hammas rocket attacks on Isreal.

I think Isreal is a bully. I think Isreal has frustrated peace, but so has Hammas and so what I am calling you ProfEmeritus and other like you are hysterical hypocrites.

So let's stop being omnipresent... cut the cra*p. You have never protested against Hammas rocket attacks otherwise you'd have already crowed about it, so please don't make it up now.

None of you give a stuff until it's trendy and really this is just a PR job by Hammas to manipulate world opinion starting with the hysterical and gulliable.

Sure innocents are suffering. But when you take sides with liars and manipulators, you are just becoming a weapon in a war which you don't even understand.

Beam me up Scotty... I've had enough of these pseudo-intellectuals






[edit on 12-1-2009 by sy.gunson]


reply posted on 12-1-2009 @ 06:56 AM by Dr UAE
reply to post by infolurker


here are some pics













and if you want more i will search for you


reply posted on 12-1-2009 @ 07:36 AM by SkepticalSpectacle
reply to post by infolurker


Star for you!

This man speaks the truth!

The Palestinian has brought this upon themselves!

All the years of unfounded blind hatred towards the Jews, this is what they get! They got what they deserved, including their woman and children!

It's GOD punishment!


They shoudl get out while they have the chance!

[edit on 12-1-2009 by SkepticalSpectacle]
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