Originally posted by cancerian42
Everything is not illusion just because it is constantly changing. Let's take ice cream for example. When heat is applied it melts, but does that
mean that the ice cream was an illusion just because it has changed?
As I tried to point out in a post at 4 am sorry
, Yes the term "Ice cream" is an illusion because when it melts it is just cream as such. The
labels, meanings, feelings and associations we put on objects, forms, feelings, concepts are illusion, because non of them are truly permanent, never
ever last for ever.
So any name or word we give to an object situation feeling experience is in-fact a falsehood, Satans deception if you like, as that thing, feeling,
form object experience, meaning will change eventually.
So all the images, emotional reactions of the world we have is based on the premise of a Lie initially, the seed of our understanding and experience
of the world is always based on a falsehood.
The only correct term for anything is "It is" or "currently it/I/we...."
We attribute concrete terms to everything which is not soo. When you eat the ice cream, and it is in your stomach and absorbed by the body, the
chemicals changed and broken down is it still Ice cream?
This way we label and explore the world, describe it, give it meaning as mentioned by others is the trap of language or labels.
It is infact just as honest and truthful to call the Ice cream Grass. The ice cream would not exist without the cows eating grass and making milk. we
can follow this indefinately, and call ice cream frozen clouds, or white cold buddhas Piss
The interdependance shown above is the only truth the Oneness, lack of any self inherent everlasting properties of anything except that everything is
part of the whole, is forever changing and contained in the ONE.
Logically therefore the only truth is ONE.
We base our lives on lies from the beginning if we see and refer and feel the world as "this" and "that" "us" and "them", all is the ONE it is
the only truth.
Is it an illusion that you exist? You are part of everything, so you must be an illusion according to your first statement.
When I die I will end, no more as I am posited now as on here mischevious elf. So yes it is an illusion, my body will rot down and become earth and I
will become ice creams for the worms. It is just as honest to call me a worm as "My Name" just perspective and time the changing nature. A Buddha
may even drink from a well that a worm died in that ate me, and the energy, atoms etc that were in me then the worm, then the water in the well become
the Buddhas Piss and ice cream in the future!
If that happens I am as much Ice Cream or Buddha's Piss as "name".
This never ends, the belief that it is ok for me step on a worm and not care, is infact killing a great great great etc mother of the bits of me
"name" in the future!
Oneness is all that is truly.
Change does not mean illusion.
It does if you perceive yourself as separate from anything else in the universe, a separate entity, a personality or your ego is of any inherent
Change from a perspective of "this" "that" is illusory.
Change as viewed from an enlightened point of view though is not an illusion as all you see and understand is the "one" the change becomes the dance
of One/GOD and as you do not have any belief in labels or separate positions the change is just natural. The breathing in and out of One/God.
So it seems all is illusion, all is ONE the illusion is to see it differently without Love otherwise you get on a maglamanaic trip, and God does not
When you see past this illusion, Love yourself as much as the rest of yourself ALL, though I am using the lies of "yourself" for trying to convey
the understanding, then the illusion drops away, full of Compassion for all and merging with the One.
[edit on 31-1-2009 by MischeviousElf]