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The End of White America?

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posted on Jan, 11 2009 @ 04:00 AM
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I came across this article yesterday and decided to share my thoughts.

1: What exactly is "whiteness?"
Perhaps at one point in our history, white people actually had a "white identity" and white culture existed. I do not believe either exist today. Aside from the fact that being "white" has become, care of our Marxist/Socialist educators, a sin, anything that could be reasonably perceived as "white" is actually a mish-mash of various cultures. Since whites have been broken into so many categories (Irish, Italian, English, Greek, etc.) it is my contention that whiteness does not exist. There is no white culture, but only mainstream culture or what we are told is mainstream.

2: This article actually hurts the author's goal.
By pointing out the fact that whites, the majority group, have elected a black president, are influenced by various minority cultures, and actively seek out these different cultures, the author has done nothing more than prove white people, for the most part, are quite open minded. Compare this with the information you find in any college level Psychology book in which the authors emphasize that minority groups are unable to connect with white psychiatrists/psychologists, feel uncomfortable opening up to the aforementioned, and actively seek doctors of their own culture/race, the question remains, who is racist? If I, as a white male, refuse to see an Indian doctor, I am racist. However, if a black woman refuses to see a white doctor, she is simply trying to find someone she can connect with. Hypocritical to say the least.

3: Meshing of cultures is not a victory for the minority groups.
Contrary to what the author and those sharing his opinions would like you to believe, there is no winner in this situation. As children, we are taught to accept people's differences, explore other cultures, and immerse ourselves in the lifestyles of different people. That is, if you are white. Minority children are encouraged to maintain their core cultural values and celebrate their heritage. Also hypocritical.

4: Diversity is bad.
There, I said it. Diversity is a bad thing for all those involved. I encourage you all to take a look at the book Bowling Alone. The author of this book conducts in depth analysis into why the "community" is all but extinct. The predominant theme throughout the book is that mixing of different groups in cities has been the major cause. Now, this is a two-way street. Not only are white groups damaged by forced diversification and desegregation, but the minority group being used as political fodder is equally damaged.

It's 4am and the above may not be too eloquent, but the general idea is recognizable. Please discuss.




posted on Jan, 11 2009 @ 05:44 AM
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Yes, please discuss paranoid reactionary racism.

Ah, the good old days of Jim Crow, Serperate but Equal, Keepin' the Negroes, Chinamen, Redskins and all those other people who don't look like us under control. When being a white male protestant meant being in a special culb - being in charge! No wonder that at one point fully 40% of the adult white male protestant population in Indianapolis (for example) were members of the KKK. And if you go back and read their screeds, there is a distinct similarity to your post.

It's no wonder that a member of the the dominant race in a racist society would feel threatened by and react against changes intended to reduce racism and demographic changes that threaten the status quo. The status Quo is just fine when your folks are on top, even if it's only an illusion.



posted on Jan, 11 2009 @ 06:48 AM
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It was supposed to end during the civil rights revolts.
Something about not judging someone by the color of their skin, but the content of their character, I seem to remember.
But it never happened.
The radicals took over the issue and made white the evil of all to the point that I might be denied a job because of the whiteness of my skin, and I had to endure countless racial slurs without reply, as to do so would have been considered a hate crime.

Sorry, but it is all over now.

With a multi-racial president now, no longer can any person of various shades of skin use my whiteness as an excuse for all the ills they "suffered" in their or their great grandparents to the nth degree lives.
I have already stomped on one such statement.
"If a black man can be prez of the USA, whats your excuse?"
If you wish to argue past servitude, my great great grand parents were slaves to the English, and when kicked out to NYC, were the slaves to the Italians for a generation, and if you wish to go back further, slaves to some pharaoh or another for hundreds, maybe thousands of years.

Most people of African decent refuse to admit the historical fact that they were sold into slavery by their own kind, but of a different tribe.

The racial distinctions---"African American, Irish American, Italian American" as well as all others are now history---you are either "Proud American or you are not American."
Put it on a bumper sticker.



posted on Jan, 11 2009 @ 07:44 AM
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Originally posted by skoalman88 Perhaps at one point in our history, white people actually had a "white identity" and white culture existed. I do not believe either exist today.


It does still exist, but there is a movement to wipe it out entirely. Some European countries are still majority white, and still enjoy high standards of living with low crime rates. But with the EU planning to import 50 million African workers from the poorest countries, they apparently want to make sure the last bastions of white culture are in fact wiped out.

Bringing in other races as a poor working class, especially Africans, has worked out sooooo well everywhere else in the world! Europe has so much to look forward too!

I honestly don't understand it. I don't buy into conspiracy theories, but that is so over the top it makes me think there really are powers seeking to destroy the last shreds of white culture.



posted on Jan, 11 2009 @ 08:53 AM
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I believe the issue of whiteness will be taken care of by nature in another few hundred years.

Here in south Georgia we still have extreme racism. The blacks and Mexicans seem to be more racist that the whites. The strange thing is that the black and the Mexican men are marrying white women. Another weird thing I've noticed is that both groups of men most always choose large women. I'm not being ugly here just honest.

What I have never understood is how a person can say they are proud of having a certain skin color. We did not choose our color. It would seem to me what you do with your life is how you should be judged if we are to be judged. And, no mater what anyone says we do judge other people. It's natural in the animal kingdom.

Unless you were born in another country and moved to America you are American. Not African American, Italian American and so on.

Are we so shallow that we must use our heritage as our personal banner?
It matters not what or who your family was but what you do that matters.

My ancestors were German royalty that fled Germany in the 1600's to England. In 1734 they left England and landed with John Wesley on the coast of Georgia. Does that make me special? No. Do I call myself German-American? Of course not. I am an American plain and simple.

In a perfect world we would welcome other races and learn their culture and teach them ours. We would enjoy our differences. We would be equal. But we are not and never will be.

The white person will be in the minority one day. Is this good or bad? I don't know.

I do know I am sick of being judged by my skin color. My skin is very white/pink and I am immediately thought to be a racist by many black people. They are wrong......I am a humanist. I love all people no matter what the color of their skin.

Maybe we will get along better once we are all a tan people. No, that won't work either. I have a black friend that tells me light colored black people think they are better than the darker skinned blacks.

I see no end to racism.

[edit on 11-1-2009 by dizziedame]



posted on Jan, 11 2009 @ 10:30 AM
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Do you folks really believe in a "pan-white" identity? Is the white race and "whiteness" really a viable concept?

My perspective on the issue (based mainly on history and meeting people of different cultures) is that the white race doesn't exist as a sole entity. I find massive differences between Nordic, Mediterranean, Alpine, Caucasian and Slavic groups.

They may just be generalisations, but I do honestly find that Germanic/ Nordic people are highly ordered and efficient; Mediterraneans are more artistic; Slavs are more hard working etc.

Basically I see no common pillar of characteristics which join together all those groups into any unified "white race".



posted on Jan, 11 2009 @ 10:35 AM
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Bah, waste of bandwidth. There are no races, people have been mixed and changed appereance since day 1. When the first migrants from Africa started to push up north they didn't need the melanins to protect them from the sun so they evolved.

Simple.

Oh, people are still being mixed and the same changes that have been occuring for the past thousand years are continuing to happen.



posted on Jan, 11 2009 @ 12:16 PM
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Originally posted by 44soulslayer
Do you folks really believe in a "pan-white" identity? Is the white race and "whiteness" really a viable concept?

Basically I see no common pillar of characteristics which join together all those groups into any unified "white race".


Well depends on how people use the term “white”. There is Caucasian, which of course encompasses a lot of different groups. Often the term white is used to identify the sub-race of fair skinned Europeans.

And it is fair to designate those “white” people as different because the world SEES them as different. There is a strong sentiment of anti-white racism that is aimed at fair skinned Europeans and Americans. If other not so white Caucasians were being targeted, such as Arabs for instance, that would be seen as "racist” and wrong because they have minority status. Regular Euro-Whites do not.



posted on Jan, 11 2009 @ 12:39 PM
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Yes. A racist society that elected a black man. A racist society that has gone above and beyond ensuring minorities and women experience equality. A racist society that embraces 3rd world people like its going out of style. A racist society run by whitey that gives how much in aid to non-whites?

Blind people embrace their blindness, something they have no control over.



posted on Jan, 11 2009 @ 12:55 PM
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Like i said before, this is why people like Hitler become the people they become. They see situations like this, and want to rise to power and wipe out another race. They fear lose of control and identity. Countrys these days are just more mixed raced than before, so there for you going to see people of different race in places where white people mabay had jobs before. To say ''The End Of White America'' i think thats just going a bit to far. Just because a black guy won the election to become president, dose not mean white America is at an end.



posted on Jan, 11 2009 @ 01:02 PM
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Personally, I think people who actually care about race are just a bunch of people who have no accomplishments to speak of for themselves and have to hold onto something as dumb as the color of their skin or some other superficial ties as a way of adding accomplishments to themselves. Just because a white man invented something doesn't mean I invented it. Just because a white man had slaves doesn't mean I had slaves and so on.

Get out and make your own accomplishments and then perhaps people wouldn't need to attach themselves to such nonsense.

Maybe some day people can start to see individuals instead of races.



posted on Jan, 11 2009 @ 10:28 PM
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There will never be a day when there is no racism period.

People can hide there real thoughts and feelings very well. Heck there are things about my friends and family that I would never say out loud to them but it doesn't mean I'm not thinking it and the same can be said for racist.

Racism may one day not be a major issue but there will not be a day when its completely gone.

You could get a bunch of racist, prejudice together in public and no would be the wiser but watch them in their home environment with friends and family and you will see true intentions come out


I didn't know some of my family members were racist until i started putting things together and then I realized it

Someone I knew was racist this person hired people of all races but if you caught him out of the office with his friends you saw a completely different person that you would never expect him to be.



Then you also have people who assume if your not with us your against us and that can be said for lots of things.

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posted on Jan, 11 2009 @ 11:11 PM
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The elites got a scare during WW2 when Hitler nearly overthrew them. That's why after WW2 they started a program of "dewhitening" western countries in order to divide the people up and make them fight amongst themselves. In military terms this is called divide and conquer.

Ever notice how it's only white countries that are multicultural? Japan's got the second biggest economy in the world yet they have no immigration program. The same goes with every other asian country (and yet they still complained that Australia had a white Australia policy).



posted on Jan, 12 2009 @ 04:40 AM
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Thats a fair point, however racism against a diverse group still isn't enough to warrant meshing together all the components. By that I mean that if an Italian and a German are both equally persecuted, that is still no reason for them to group together.

I realise that is what happened to black slaves brought over to the USA, where their identity got meshed into this sort of pan-black race. However the diversity of culture between a nigerian and a south african is minimal. The diversity between an italian and a german is immense.

Its natural that the italian and german will feel some sense of kinship based on their european origins; however in actual fact beyond physical similarity they have very little in common. Doesn't it do a disservice to their heritage to blend them into some synthetic appellation of "white" when in reality they should be proud of their Italian/ German national heritage.

I guess what Im trying to say is that supporting a notion of a white race is slightly pointless, because within that group the people are too diverse. I would say that an educated Arab/Chinese/Indian has more in common with the values and ideals of American society than a gangster from Russia.


SR

posted on Jan, 12 2009 @ 04:53 AM
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150 years from now;

Whitey land where everyone comes to look at the whiteman like a reservation or zoo lol.

Just joking lol.

But i have nooooooo doubts that another war will be fought over colour in the future the Europeans won't be the cause this time it will be the Middle East or Russia or China that something will happen to provoke it. A less mutlicultured society has to learn in some respects more than the rest of us.



posted on Jan, 12 2009 @ 09:52 AM
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Originally posted by 44soulslayer
I realise that is what happened to black slaves brought over to the USA, where their identity got meshed into this sort of pan-black race. However the diversity of culture between a nigerian and a south african is minimal. The diversity between an italian and a german is immense.


Well maybe that is part of the problem with Europe. But at the same time in India there is a tremendous amount of "diversity" among groups and classes. However I would suspect that for those of Indian heritage living in the U.K. the differences seem minimal compared to the similiarities.

Same thing happens in the states. Most Euro whites in the states have a mixed heritage. They maybe part German, English, Irish etc... In areas where whites are the minority, then it does create a sense of pan-whiteness. Plus in areas like the American South, they blended several generations ago, and created a new identity in the process.



posted on Jan, 12 2009 @ 10:19 AM
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I think generally speaking, you are right. Personally I feel that the problem is that immigrants are given the nationality of their adopted country. I think this adds to the problem, since natives begin to feel that their country is being overrun. Additionally, nationality changes bring doubts about loyalty, origin etc into the mix for an immigrant.

I just got back from the middle east, and I must say that the Arabs deal with this issue the best. Immigrants are free to stay and work, practice their religion and their own culture in their own houses/ communities. However the core of the nation (values, ethos, laws, public servants, welfare entitlement) is always Arab.

Whats wrong with being Chinese in the USA or Indian in the UK, instead of having to reconcile them into things like "Asian American" or "British Asian".

A rather bizarre position for an immigrant to have in some ways, but I definitely think that immigration would be more accepted if there was a clearer distinction drawn between "host" and "guest" as it were.

America is a total aberration because of its history of large scale immigration however; and I am not well versed enough in the situation there to make up my mind. In your opinion, what would halt the wiping out of "white culture" in America?



posted on Jan, 12 2009 @ 10:30 AM
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Originally posted by Sonya610
It does still exist, but there is a movement to wipe it out entirely. Some European countries are still majority white, and still enjoy high standards of living

All EU countries are still majority white by a very large margin. Most Eastern states are pretty much totally white.

The UK is about the most ethnically diverse country in the EU with non-white population being: black 2%, Indian 1.8%, Pakistani 1.3%, mixed 1.2%. Wow, 2% blacks! They're taking over! Run for the hills!

Trying to link people culturally via the amount of melanin they happen to have in their skin is dumb. I'm a white Londoner and will definitely have more in common culturally with a black Londoner than I do with some white farmer in Latvia.



But with the EU planning to import 50 million African workers from the poorest countries, they apparently want to make sure the last bastions of white culture are in fact wiped out.

There is no such plan, whatever scurrulous right-wing newspapers might pretend. Some demographers have said that by 2050 the EU will need 50 million more people of working age to support the tax base to look after our aging population. Whether this is true or not and whether we get these workers from Africa is another matter.



I honestly don't understand it. I don't buy into conspiracy theories, but that is so over the top it makes me think there really are powers seeking to destroy the last shreds of white culture.

You don't buy conspiracy theories in general, just this particularly stupid one? Perhaps because it supports your reactionary world view?



posted on Jan, 12 2009 @ 01:57 PM
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Originally posted by 44soulslayer
I just got back from the middle east, and I must say that the Arabs deal with this issue the best. Immigrants are free to stay and work, practice their religion and their own culture in their own houses/ communities. However the core of the nation (values, ethos, laws, public servants, welfare entitlement) is always Arab.

A rather bizarre position for an immigrant to have in some ways, but I definitely think that immigration would be more accepted if there was a clearer distinction drawn between "host" and "guest" as it were.


But that is just it. The EU talks about having 50 million African guest workers, but they WON'T BE GUESTS! Now the Saudi's, they have a whole different idea of "guest workers". You visit on a contract, you are there to earn money and GO HOME. There is no citizenship, there is no welfare, there is no obligation. The Saudi's are not your parents, and they don't owe their guest workers ANYTHING.

Its like...well....a JOB verses moving in with your parents and expecting them to take care of you.

Now if the EU decided to have that sort of guest worker, where they have a contract for 2 or 5 years or whatever and then they GO HOME that would be totally different. Also if the "guest" commits crimes, well, they will be imprisoned or deported immediately. And their offspring should NOT be considered citizens.

But the EU plan isn't at all about guest workers. It is an attempt to infiltrate and destroy European culture. It is about importing an underclass from a third world country, people that can't hack it in their home states, and bringing them to the EU to work low paying jobs. They will not fit in well, because they will get tired of being the "lower class workers" in the EU real fast. They will turn into a resentful subculture that screams RACISM for the next 200 years when they can't compete with the rest of the European population for high paying jobs. They will turn into a nightmare of welfare dependant criminals (i.e. see France).

As far as America staying white? No way. It will turn into a 3 way power of whites, hispanics, and asians. But that is not so horrible in my mind, those three groups get along okay for the most part.

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posted on Jan, 12 2009 @ 09:40 PM
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All EU countries are still majority white by a very large margin. Most Eastern states are pretty much totally white.

The UK is about the most ethnically diverse country in the EU with non-white population being: black 2%, Indian 1.8%, Pakistani 1.3%, mixed 1.2%. Wow, 2% blacks! They're taking over! Run for the hills!


The main problem is that non-white people reproduce like rabbits, whereas white people reproduce like infertile pandas in captivity. So what you're seeing is immigrant populations increasing exponentially.

This will become a lot more noticeable when in 50-100 years white people become a minority in Europe.



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