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Originally posted by alyosha1981
Well I'll admit that this thread had a secondary motive, and Sonya as you know in a previous thread of mine, I am very afraid of death and this fear conflicts with what my grandmother told me ( I am an "old" soul) as do other things, I hoped I would get some insight into this fear as well.
Originally posted by Riposte
Everyone has a fear of death.
Originally posted by alyosha1981
Wouldn't the body/mind in some form "know" what the soul knows? and use that information to "nudge" us in the right direction? or would the feeling be more deep in our self?
Originally posted by Copernicus
Originally posted by Riposte
Everyone has a fear of death.
This is wrong, because Im not afraid of death if its painless. Not at all. It will be like falling asleep and finding out whats on the other side. You are not afraid of sleeping are you? It will be the same feeling.
posted by Copernicus
This is wrong, because Im not afraid of death if its painless. Not at all. It will be like falling asleep and finding out whats on the other side. You are not afraid of sleeping are you? It will be the same feeling.
Originally posted by Sonya610
Originally posted by Copernicus
Originally posted by Riposte
Everyone has a fear of death.
This is wrong, because Im not afraid of death if its painless. Not at all. It will be like falling asleep and finding out whats on the other side. You are not afraid of sleeping are you? It will be the same feeling.
Yeah I agree with you there Copernicus. I have no fear of death either (now the actual dying part is a different matter..lol). I am also a misanthrope, so two things we agree on.
Originally posted by alyosha1981
How do you know? tell please because I have wondered that for some time now and for about the last month I can't seem to shake that when I'm going to sleep it's so bad that I often times wake myself up just as I am going to sleep out of fear that "this could be it"
Originally posted by Copernicus
Well, the body is a machine. When the heart stops, you will just lose consciousness and you wont feel a thing anymore. What is there to be afraid of? Even if there is nothing to experience after death, you will never be able to think about it since you are dead.
Originally posted by Copernicus
Originally posted by alyosha1981
How do you know? tell please because I have wondered that for some time now and for about the last month I can't seem to shake that when I'm going to sleep it's so bad that I often times wake myself up just as I am going to sleep out of fear that "this could be it"
Well, the body is a machine. When the heart stops, you will just lose consciousness and you wont feel a thing anymore. What is there to be afraid of? Even if there is nothing to experience after death, you will never be able to think about it since you are dead.
Originally posted by Riposte
Haha, believe me, you do fear it.
I am completely comfortable with death right now. I don't worry about it in the least. But when spontaneous self-inquiry arises, and I can feel the "me" literally dying and dissolving away, it is ABSOLUTELY terrifying.
The fear is still there.
Originally posted by Sonya610
Now many will feel the natural "fight or flight" response to some threats,
Originally posted by alyosha1981
Good way to put it thank you, but what about while the process is taking place wouldn't you be aware of that? and sorry if I sound morbid or anything like that I don't mean to.
Originally posted by Riposte
Originally posted by Sonya610
Now many will feel the natural "fight or flight" response to some threats,
Exactly. The fear is still there.
For an intellectual exercise, if you are not afraid of death, why don't you just kill yourself? Seriously, it's not an insult, I am asking you to think about truly just killing yourself right at this very moment.
What is stopping you?
[edit on 11-1-2009 by Riposte]
Originally posted by Copernicus
Originally posted by alyosha1981
Good way to put it thank you, but what about while the process is taking place wouldn't you be aware of that? and sorry if I sound morbid or anything like that I don't mean to.
Curiosity about death is actually something I would consider very natural. I have no idea why people in the west has this great tabu about it. Maybe it gets passed along to us by our parents, and then we pass it along to our kids, and so on. So its in our culture? Not sure.
Anyway, I imagine dying by old age would pretty much be like feeling more and more tired and then falling asleep in the end. I have watched people die at hospitals and it seems peaceful to me.
Originally posted by Copernicus
Even though this questions wasnt for me, I will reply.
The simple reason I dont kill myself is that I enjoy my life. Why would I want to end something I enjoy? If we only live once, its really a waste to end ones life early just to see whats coming next (if anything), wouldnt you agree?
Originally posted by Sonya610
But the “peaceful death” in old age thing is a crapshoot. Sure some get to go that way, many do not. Even for those that survive into old age, most start to fall apart the last couple of years. That’s why the average person will ring up most of their healthcare costs the last few years.
Originally posted by Riposte
Originally posted by Copernicus
Even though this questions wasnt for me, I will reply.
The simple reason I dont kill myself is that I enjoy my life. Why would I want to end something I enjoy? If we only live once, its really a waste to end ones life early just to see whats coming next (if anything), wouldnt you agree?
Indeed, life is good.
So, you see death as an "end" to "something you enjoy." And thus it should be avoided, correct?
Originally posted by Riposte
Exactly. The fear is still there.
For an intellectual exercise, if you are not afraid of death, why don't you just kill yourself? Seriously, it's not an insult, I am asking you to think about truly just killing yourself right at this very moment.
What is stopping you?