Written by the finger of god? What was ?

Originally posted by enduser
one question i have always asked myself, why does god not speak to us all directly? i know some will say its because we dont listen or chose not to listen, but i can tell you for a fact that i am all ears, please speak up for i cannot hear you!

Perhaps we are god but don't know the sound of our own voice ?
Or perhaps god is imaginary ?

If the god of abraham spoke to people directly then wouldn't this make the bible and religion obsolete and a lie ?

reply to post by pureevil81


im sorry but, who says i havent seeked god?

Originally posted by moocowman

We're all gods in our own right, but thats not the point, if there is a god as per the scripture, then why does god only communicate with a small percentage? Thats hardly fair in my opinion. God being the all knowing and all seeing must have realised that people would have doubted his existence at one point or another, so it would only be fair if god spoke to us all individually as so we could choose to believe in him or not. I say him, because I [now] believe god is a man, or more correctly, a collection of human men claiming to have spoken to a divine being, the creator of all.

Now i wonder, if we were ever to compare our biblical god with an alien civilisations god, would the two be identical?

reply to post by Ichabod

So, which missing words are you talking about - the ones that he wanted in the bible but that you decided aren't in there? Which ones are those since they aren't in there? You're going to find them for us, right?

I love the glowing terms pseudo-intellectuals use for describing their efforts: using our gray matter, searching, rebel. Ah, so appealing to the lost.

You're a rebel all right, blazing new trails of muddled thinking.

Actually I HAVE done the research, and I recommend the same for you. Much of what I relay is done by Biblical Scholars!!!

We will have to agree to disagree. I will have a civil conversation with those who do their homework.

Denial will not stop reality, no matter how hard we try!


reply to post by enduser

one question i have always asked myself, why does god not speak to us all directly? i know some will say its because we dont listen or chose not to listen, but i can tell you for a fact that i am all ears, please speak up for i cannot hear you!

I don't know if I said it on this thread but this is what worked for me initially:

Write down on paper questions you would like to ask God. Or just things you wonder about and keep writing. At some point in time (may not) you may start writing so fast information that is coming down through your head into your hand. You then go back and read what you have written. It may take a while but do it everyday for a few minutes.

Here is the funny thing; God told me (once I accepted one on one in my head - conversations) that he always has talked to me from the time I was young.

Now my husband, he doesn't talk to at all. But He puts thoughts into his head, and he will speak and know that they are coming from outside himself.

If God does not speak to you, that doesn't mean anything. He may develop a different relationship with you, that he doesn't have with someone else. This is not socialism, so we need to accept that we have our own independent relationship with him/her unlike anyone else.

Pureevil81 may be right in that you may not be seeking him through the right avenues that he accepts. For instance, he did not make it apparent to me that he was talking to me until I left my religion. This may be the filter that is holding it back?

You may be blocking it. This is easy to do. I no longer drink or do anything additively (I am a recovered addicted personality). I am no longer part of religion. And I try to not block his voice. One thing is for sure - you have to get beyond the "I must be crazy, because I hear voices" syndrome. He makes absolute logical coherent sense. There is no gibberish.

Ironically, I work in human behavior so I DO know the difference.

reply to post by moocowman

Perhaps we are god but don't know the sound of our own voice ?
Or perhaps god is imaginary ?

What makes it interesting is that it is not imaginary as one learns from the contact, information that was never there before in the computer chip in you mind.

If the god of abraham spoke to people directly then wouldn't this make the bible and religion obsolete and a lie ?

Or perhaps the Bible and religion was never really needed to begin with? Except for this clause: man created religion because he didn't trust anything he couldn't see. He needed masters to control him so he would feel secure, and not the free floating anxiety that comes from being responsible to God and ourselves with no filters.

Man has proven that he wants and needs laws. God gave man what he wanted, even if he knew it would become very dysfunctional. Is God helping those who choose, to let go of these filters - today? I think so.

reply to post by enduser

so it would only be fair if god spoke to us all individually as so we could choose to believe in him or not. I say him, because I [now] believe god is a man, or more correctly, a collection of human men claiming to have spoken to a divine being, the creator of all.

My thoughts: the fair is in every big town but does not apply to God! As long as you have resistance you will not get what you are asking...it is a filter. God is not codependent. This is a hard reality. He doesn't need your approval or mine. It's his way or the highway. But he is the only Game in town.

Now i wonder, if we were ever to compare our biblical god with an alien civilisations god, would the two be identical?

Why not? Gods are aliens to us no matter how you look at it.

reply to post by pureevil81


Right, in politics, you get more with honey than vinegar. Fortunately, this isn't politics.

I attack sentence structure because words have meaning. Maybe you found the sentence in question to be perfectly clear. I didn't. Maybe you found his response to my question about corruption of the bible honest. I didn't.

reply to post by MatrixProphet


Thanks for your reply and suggestion, i will start writing down questions this evening and see what happens, and i will report back. But, if the words in my head are in my voice, then I take it to be my own thoughts, not words put there by god. Never have i heard any other voice [in my head] other than my own, so how do you know it is god and not your subconscious? Because he makes it apparent? Well im sorry but he hasnt made it apparent. Should i do as you did, join a religion then leave as so he can make it apparent to me?

Also, i find it quite funny how people say, "oh you must be blocking his communication", or "you havent seeked out god properly", how do you people know what i have or have not done, or what i want to believe? Thats an easy cop out to me, "oh i know what im doing but you dont, so get on the highway as god cant communicate with your sort"! lol! If god is the almighty, no "firewall" would be able to block him, not even the devil.

As you mentioned, he made it apparent to you after you left a religion, but were you still drinking or whatever at the time? If so, clearly god can pass those filters, if he wanted. In which case, it must all be gods will basically and im not part of that will, in which case, dont blame me for not believing because I do want to and i have opened up and i have at times prayed with all of my heart, i have actually been in tears praying! Now dont tell me i didnt pray right or open up enough, that again is a cop out to me

As a side note, i have done meditation, and in fact, spent 11 days on a Buddhist meditation course (vipassana) whereby we were not allowed to take any intoxicants including caffeine, sugar, cigarettes etc etc, only organic vegetables and fruit. We were also not allowed to communicate with anyone other than the teacher for 9 days straight! I even tried to open up and speak with god, i prayed to god but guess what? No comment was made by the elusive being! Also, i do not like drinking alcohol, i have always had an aversion to it, i do smoke however but please, dont tell me that smoking is creating this filter, because some people that claim to speak to god also smoke, or am i smoking the filter brand

As a note, i dont mean to come across as negative or mean, I just find people of faith to be quite frustrating. Only yesterday a girl of faith called me stupid for not believing in what she did, fine, i must be stupid for having my own thoughts, or as you may well think, the thoughts of the devil?

Can i ask a favour of one of those that speak with god? Can you ask god how my grandmother is doing in the afterlife and what her name was? Simple question and one that should be easily answered (i already know what your answer will be, funnily enough :lol

What makes it interesting is that it is not imaginary as one learns from the contact, information that was never there before in the computer chip in you mind.

reply to post by MatrixProphet


Hm, begs the question how is it possible for all the information not to be there if there is nothing but god ?

If we are to assume that god created everything, then theres nothing uncreated and nothing that isn't god. So god is life and life is god, everything is life so everything is alive.

If we do (as recently proposed) live in a holographic universe then the nature of a holograph is that all information pertaining to the whole is in each and every particle.
If then this is the case could we then conclude all the information is acually in us or is us ?

If all the information (assuming god is all that there is) is withing us, eg the computer chip of our mind why is it filed away on the hard disk somewhere?

If life is evolution and evolution is life, would we not require access to the information stored away in order to evolve ?
Could not the endevour to acces the information be evolution in action and as evolution is god, then god evolving.

But god evolving would seem contary to god being all that there is ? But maybe we (I) only ask this question from within the limits of time.

If time is unique to the the evolving and not to all that there is, then surely time must have a purpose. To find the purpose of anything we normally look at how is used, and we use time solely as a reference point between one event and another.

So our universe maybe events which we observe, with the use of time, which is unique to us from our limited observational standpoint which inturn is evolving.

If god then is all that there is and there is nothing that isn't god and god is life and evolution, with time being unique to us, then god is time and outside time, at the same time.

All that has been created will be created and is created, all exist at the same time but equally uncreated as time is unique to us.

Perhaps then this uniquness is god, the all that there is experiencing itself through us, if this is the case then there can only be one mind and one mind can be all that there is.
One mind experiencing itself at one time in no time, making selections from unlimited possibilities.

Christ dude, that hurt my head trying to get that down in type, maybe a beard in the sky is the easiest option, no thinking required Homer, just eat and worry LOL











[edit on 22-1-2009 by moocowman]

Oh my God...moocowman & enduser!! You are hurting my head!!

Could you each make it more difficult?? Keep it simple, dudes!

I am going to watch a movie and then I will get back to these posts and try to understand (especially you, moocowman). Okay?

enduser I U2U'd you.

Originally posted by enduser
reply to post by pureevil81

 

im sorry but, who says i havent seeked god?

I didn't did I? I was speaking more in general rather than at you, my apolagies if that came off the wrong way my friend.

reply to post by enduser

so how do you know it is god and not your subconscious? Because he makes it apparent? Well im sorry but he hasnt made it apparent. Should i do as you did, join a religion then leave as so he can make it apparent to me?

In my experience it is obvious. But then again, that didn't mean that I didn't test it out. I always recommend a person to do just that.

The voice is different and does not sound like my voice, although they use language and words that fit me. I know that it is not just my subconscious because I have been told things that would happen later. And they did!

Also, I received information that helped me grow in areas I could not imagine doing on my own. I am keeping it simple because it is rather hard to explain. The writer of "Conversations with God" (forgot his name) and I have had similar experiences but with different information. Remember, he wrote also. I did not follow his example for I did not even know of him when Jah started communicating with me on paper.

Since, then I only do mind communication.

If god is the almighty, no "firewall" would be able to block him, not even the devil.

Yes you are right. If he indeed needs to tell you something, nothing stops him. He will interfere in my thoughts when he feels he needs to do so. But otherwise, I at times WILL block him because I don't want to hear what he has to say. There is at times; trepidation. I know and can feel it is time for me to gain some new insight and I don't always want it. Quite frankly, I did not ask for it!

Free will - will block to some degree. I know I have a special role and hence, I don't have much say. But my husband as I said, does not receive the same attention.

As you mentioned, he made it apparent to you after you left a religion, but were you still drinking or whatever at the time? If so, clearly god can pass those filters, if he wanted. In which case, it must all be gods will basically and im not part of that will, in which case, dont blame me for not believing because I do want to and i have opened up and i have at times prayed with all of my heart, i have actually been in tears praying! Now dont tell me i didnt pray right or open up enough, that again is a cop out to me

No I was not drinking. I haven't in over 20 years. This I will say for a surety, I could not grow spiritually if I was still anesthetizing. Addiction does block God, can't be helped. I work with active addicts all the time. There is no room for anything outside of addiction as it becomes the God.

Although smoking is addictive, it doesn't anesthetize like alcohol, but it still numbs the senses. Smoking blocks feelings unlike non-smokers. But would this stop God? Doubtful. It may not keep you as alert as one who doesn't smoke. I can say more on it and you can U2U me, if you want.

If you want a divine connection enough, it will happen.

As a note, i dont mean to come across as negative or mean, I just find people of faith to be quite frustrating. Only yesterday a girl of faith called me stupid for not believing in what she did, fine, i must be stupid for having my own thoughts, or as you may well think, the thoughts of the devil?

I would never do that, remember I am not religious, so I don't use the shaming techniques. I know many homosexuals (for instance) that have an amazing relationship with God. Yet, the Bible speaks against it. I say, approach God yourself, regardless of any sins, defects or differences. See what happens!

Yes, you are angry and my recommendation is to tell God how angry you are. Tell the truth and ask for wisdom. Ask for teachers (temporary). HE will make himself known to you in spite of what anyone tells you. Those that keep account of imperfections are man, not God!

Can i ask a favour of one of those that speak with god? Can you ask god how my grandmother is doing in the afterlife and what her name was? Simple question and one that should be easily answered (i already know what your answer will be, funnily enough :lol

I can't because I am not a spirit medium, nor spiritualist, nor do I go down that road. Prophets don't work that way. But I am very available should you wish to discuss more.

reply to post by moocowman

Hm, begs the question how is it possible for all the information not to be there if there is nothing but god ?

I follow a more logical path, I do not believe in a higher self.

If we are to assume that god created everything, then theres nothing uncreated and nothing that isn't god. So god is life and life is god, everything is life so everything is alive.

My thoughts: his essence is in everything. A life giving power. But his true spirit and self are separate. I realize many will not agree, but this is my experience.

If then this is the case could we then conclude all the information is acually in us or is us ?

Why then, do we fail?

If life is evolution and evolution is life, would we not require access to the information stored away in order to evolve ?
Could not the endevour to acces the information be evolution in action and as evolution is god, then god evolving.

Do we all evolve at the same rate? Are we all the same? Do we all have the same brain power? Can God evolve? Why not? Possibly in life experience! I believe he was a new parent to his evolved and or created children. Can he be learning too?

If god then is all that there is and there is nothing that isn't god and god is life and evolution, with time being unique to us, then god is time and outside time, at the same time.

What have we learned from folks like Einstein? The general theory of relativity? You tell me. Aren't many things possible if we look at it the way you just described? Could the Gods exist within parallel universes?

Perhaps then this uniquness is god, the all that there is experiencing itself through us, if this is the case then there can only be one mind and one mind can be all that there is.
One mind experiencing itself at one time in no time, making selections from unlimited possibilities.

If that floats your boat!

I wouldn't hold it to one mind. But I think the jest of what you are saying has an element of truth. I know for a personal fact that he is not pantheistic that he has consciousness. So I appreciate your acknowledging that.

I have no problem in believing (knowing) that there are many entities. Each has a separate personality and attributes. We have made the mistake of bringing them down to our level. Rather, it works better if we approach it from their level. Sounds ludicrous? Obviously, they show us only what we can digest. The point is to be available. Letting go of preconceived notions is the path towards that goal.

reply to post by MatrixProphet


I've yet to read the other long replies as I haven't the time yet (hate work *sigh*) - anyway, I just had to say this... what you are describing is automatic writing and has been used by mediums and spiritualists for a while, peaking at around the turn of the last century. I'm able to do it myself thanks to a one-off TV show by Darren Brown - basically it's just you writing with the pen/pencil subconsciously.

However, if you go along with the medium hypothesis that a spirit takes over your subconscious mind then it is almost certain you are not speaking to god but rather a deluded or mischievous or even dare I say it - evil - spirit or astral being. Go careful!

[edit on 23-1-2009 by Goathief]

reply to post by moocowman


Of course the bible was written by man.

Why is the bible the word of god?

Who is god?

If you know the answer to that then you know that you have got the wrong end of the stick.

Its staring you in the face everytime you look in the mirror.

[edit on 23-1-2009 by XXXN3O]

reply to post by Goathief

However, if you go along with the medium hypothesis that a spirit takes over your subconscious mind then it is almost certain you are not speaking to god but rather a deluded or mischievous or even dare I say it - evil - spirit or astral being. Go careful!

Yes, I know what you are talking of. But this is not what I am saying. You are only looking at one element while there is the reality of one on one with God, without the middle man.

I am are very conscious of what is going on. There is no absence of consciousness. It is very logical and without any mysticism. I now communicate without paper and have done so for about 12 years. This scares the religious, and is a scare tactic. Most have been taught that one needs the mediators (religious foundation and leaders) to commune with God, or formalized prayer. I have found this to be untrue.

I know that the religious are very concerned and I understand that. It is very important to acknowledge who one is speaking to, just as the prophets of the past had to do so. If one is asked to do anything abnormal or questionable then this would be coming from negative forces. They only have as much power as one gives them.

It is important to question everything. But divine light and information often does come through one's conscious contact with God. He can also answer through someone's words, or through a book, movie, or song.

Here is a good book to help assist one in communicating with God: "The Artist's Way" by Julia Cameron. It started me and helped me along the way.

Ask yourself, or do research; how did God communicate to a prophet of the past? And why would it automatically be considered negative to have communication now? Why is it always assumed that it must be negative forces? I have no fear of Satan! He only has as much power as we give him. If we have fear of him, he will take advantage of us.

Have you considered that he may actually be on the same team as God? Doing a duty that he volunteered for, to act as man's adversary and not Gods? He is here to refine and define us. He does the dirty work that God will not touch. Why is there such a tolerance for Satan/Lucifer if they are not in cahoots?

Yes, I am fully aware of evil and have lived and experienced it. So I DO know that it exists, but doing spirit medium work is a far cry from what I do, and experience.

Thank you for your concern!

Edit to add: I just wanted to say: you can tell who, or what you are speaking, or writing to, by the fruits it produces. If one is experiencing questionable or negative results in anything we do, then it is best to stop and go in a different direction. This applies to religion and academia also. It MUST ring true to your senses, if not, walk away. God speaks through many avenues, but we still need to use common sense. We are not victims, but volunteers!



[edit on 23-1-2009 by MatrixProphet]

reply to post by enduser


From the sound of it your searching for something in your own life sometime the lesson is in the search. You should establish your own beliefs everyone needs a foundation. I will say seeking knowledge is good but deliberately trying to get people to conform to your beliefs is not.
If a person chooses to believe in god that is there right. I will tell you having studied multiple religions there is commonalities so all in all religions can be good. But like all things can be used for evil purposes. No one can tell you what to believe nor should they. And you cant defend a belief by nature they are unprovable. So what point are you trying to make?

Religion is, and always has been nothing more than a tool to control the masses. Think about this, has there ever been a War that was not fought in part on religious principles.

Originally posted by moocowman
Christians please stop lying to the children! God wrote nothing, you have been lied to!

I agree with this. It's like teaching children fairy tails because there is absolutely no scientific proof of this claim.

I was surprized your recent thread was closed, by the way, I feel you have every right to be upset about content being influenced on your children.

I suppose it's part of the NWO to keep christianity alive and thriving because he who controls the minds, controls the world. Though it makes no sense, aside from the fear that the other religion will dominate the world, because technology is doing a fine job at keeping people under the elite's control.

All we can do is teach our children the dangers of the bible-pushers.

Two just came over to my house yesterday...it's very annoying, you don't really want to be mean to an old lady and young girl by telling them to take the head-reduction somewhere else.

Excuse me if this has already been mentioned but whoever wrote the 10
Commandments stole them from the Egyptian Book of the Dead - see Negative Confessions -Papyrus of Ani which predates the creation of 10 Commandments.