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Freemasonry and pedofile connection?

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posted on Jan, 28 2009 @ 07:14 AM
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Originally posted by Symbiote
When I say "caught", I mean caught as in "by the legal authorities", not as in "caught by the other guys from the lodge."

There is a difference.


The fact of the matter is that the majority of expulsions from Freemasonry are due to charges of unmasonic conduct having been preferred by another member, and nothing to do with "legal authorities".




posted on Apr, 4 2009 @ 03:24 PM
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Originally posted by DarkStar86
After reading this thread (www.abovetopsecret.com...)

I started to brainstorm on any connections I've scene in my life.

I know of only one freemason. He is a friend of my family. He once told me about these trips to Cuba his friends would take. He said they would dock and beautiful Cuban teens would come aboard, cook, clean, do laundry and have sex for very cheap. He went out of his way to tell me this and kept emphasizing how young some of them were (12-14).

Now what strikes me and scares me is, when I was a teenager and didn't know much about the net I stumbled across child pornography on a forum (I now know what the term "jailbait" means) and a family member confronted me about it, i don't know how that person knew, the person is def not tech savy. I explained it was an accident and it would never happen again, and the person never brought it up again. Now this freemason and that family member are really close so I'm sure they talked about it. I'm thinking the mason was trying to get me to show interest in these trips to Cuba thinking I was also into that sorta thing.

Another strange connection is, another family friend that is also a good friend of the Mason is a child psychiatrist. The mason and another person who is also probably a mason admitted that when this group would go on trips to ride motorcycles, ski, ect, they would all smoke weed, except the psychiatrist and the psychiatrist would tell him stories from his practice and they would all laugh about it. And this psychiatrist usually see's the worst of the worst cases, molestation, incest, ect ect.

The mason is a strait perv, he always comments on women around him, no matter what age or relation to him. Even his own grandchildren.

Now that I have written all of this down and think about it, there is something definitely going on.

Anyone else have similar experiences or questions?


As a Freemason, this kind of garbage really infuriates me and I think speaks volumes about the people who come up with this kind of non-sense. As another poster has said, because the pedophile was a Mason, doesnt mean that Masons are pedophiles and I think you would have to have a pretty limited intelligence to think that. BUt the reason that it most infuriates me is that this is how nonsense rumors about Freemasonry get started...I mean if a Freemason went bonkers and went into a shopping mall with a gun, would you assume that that was the behavior of all Freemasons just because they were Freemasons? Think for yourself!



posted on Apr, 6 2009 @ 12:30 AM
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Originally posted by Checkered Pavement

Originally posted by DarkStar86
After reading this thread (www.abovetopsecret.com...)

I started to brainstorm on any connections I've scene in my life.

I know of only one freemason. He is a friend of my family. He once told me about these trips to Cuba his friends would take. He said they would dock and beautiful Cuban teens would come aboard, cook, clean, do laundry and have sex for very cheap. He went out of his way to tell me this and kept emphasizing how young some of them were (12-14).

Now what strikes me and scares me is, when I was a teenager and didn't know much about the net I stumbled across child pornography on a forum (I now know what the term "jailbait" means) and a family member confronted me about it, i don't know how that person knew, the person is def not tech savy. I explained it was an accident and it would never happen again, and the person never brought it up again. Now this freemason and that family member are really close so I'm sure they talked about it. I'm thinking the mason was trying to get me to show interest in these trips to Cuba thinking I was also into that sorta thing.

Another strange connection is, another family friend that is also a good friend of the Mason is a child psychiatrist. The mason and another person who is also probably a mason admitted that when this group would go on trips to ride motorcycles, ski, ect, they would all smoke weed, except the psychiatrist and the psychiatrist would tell him stories from his practice and they would all laugh about it. And this psychiatrist usually see's the worst of the worst cases, molestation, incest, ect ect.

The mason is a strait perv, he always comments on women around him, no matter what age or relation to him. Even his own grandchildren.

Now that I have written all of this down and think about it, there is something definitely going on.

Anyone else have similar experiences or questions?


As a Freemason, this kind of garbage really infuriates me and I think speaks volumes about the people who come up with this kind of non-sense. As another poster has said, because the pedophile was a Mason, doesnt mean that Masons are pedophiles and I think you would have to have a pretty limited intelligence to think that. BUt the reason that it most infuriates me is that this is how nonsense rumors about Freemasonry get started...I mean if a Freemason went bonkers and went into a shopping mall with a gun, would you assume that that was the behavior of all Freemasons just because they were Freemasons? Think for yourself!


This is an open mind forum here buddy. Understand? I'm not saying I'm the sole authority on the matter of pedos and mason connection I'm just wondering if others here have noticed anything similar.

I think it's pathetic masons come on here and even try to defend themselves because honestly I'm not impressed in the manner you all go about it.

What I have written in this thread. What I have scene is not a lie. Do you really want me to get one of you're members on audio possibly video telling the story? I think not and neither do I because it honestly doesn't matter to me. I was just curious if anyone else had scene anything similar.



posted on Apr, 6 2009 @ 11:52 AM
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Originally posted by Kailassa
reply to post by DarkStar86
Young people with talent are looked for to train for future leadership. But the people looking only want people they can control, so they tempt people with things they can use as blackmail afterwards. Once you make one mistake they will use it to coax you into committing larger ones, and use drugs to lower your moral defences.

You can be sure that if you go along with any of this everything you do will be secretly videotaped. Don't trust these people and don't go anywhere with them.



I agree. The children were probably Monarch mind-controlled sex slave victims luring these men in and tempting them. They will soon be blackmailed. Or maybe they already are. Whatever the case is, they are in deep. Pray for them.



posted on Apr, 6 2009 @ 12:22 PM
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Well than I guess it's a good thing none of us "masons" care about impressing you. It's in defecne of the order and fellow brothers who you and other blaspheme with total garbage. People are people, and people are fallibul. I have recently at one of our meeting met more than a few 32nd and two 33rd. memebers and they were incredibly polite well spoken informed and kind gentlemen. I have nothing but respect for the discipline and sacrifice it takes to achive a high degree in any of the orders.



posted on Apr, 7 2009 @ 07:20 AM
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Just so there is no confusion, once you are a master mason (3rd degree) you can become a 32nd degree mason in a weekend as long as you have $285.00. There are reunions twice a year in most valleys. So in theory, you could become a 3rd degree mason in 3-6 months if you study and remember things, and if you were raised in February, then went to the Scottish Rite reunion in March, you would be a 32nd degree mason in 4-7 months. Then they let you put on the reptilian suit and they give you directions to the NWO building downtown.



posted on Apr, 7 2009 @ 07:51 AM
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I have nothing but respect for the discipline and sacrifice it takes to achive a high degree in any of the orders.


Curiouser and curiouser. You have respect for someone who has the discipline to achieve a high degree in the masons, and then I read this;




Just so there is no confusion, once you are a master mason (3rd degree) you can become a 32nd degree mason in a weekend as long as you have $285.00. There are reunions twice a year in most valleys. So in theory, you could become a 3rd degree mason in 3-6 months if you study and remember things, and if you were raised in February, then went to the Scottish Rite reunion in March, you would be a 32nd degree mason in 4-7 months. Then they let you put on the reptilian suit and they give you directions to the NWO building downtown.


So it doesn't take any skill, other than a good memory, to reach the higher eschelons of freemasonry. I think when us non masons read such conflicting statements from members I think we can be forgiven for wondering what is really going on. After all, if you can't agree on what the importance of masonry is, and just how difficult/easy it is to achieve the third degree then what chance of we of understanding it?



posted on Apr, 7 2009 @ 08:09 AM
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Originally posted by Mintwithahole.


What you are missing is that the requirements for taking a degree varies from lodge to lodge and from constitution to constitution and from order to order.

In Secret Monitor, for example, one cannot take the final degree without also being installed into the chair of the 'lodge.'

The two comments were probably referring to different lodges or orders, and therefore cannot be compared. Also, there is then no contradiction.



posted on Apr, 7 2009 @ 08:38 AM
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The two comments were probably referring to different lodges or orders, and therefore cannot be compared. Also, there is then no contradiction.


Point taken, but with the greatest of respect all I hear is contradiction. One mason earlier was saying how much he respected those who put in the time and effort it takes to reach the 33rd degree and then I.m being told by another mason that all it takes is the will and a bit of money and you're in.
Then theres the fact that some masons refuse to accept there is a 33rd degree mason saying that there's only the three degrees! Even if they are in different lodges surely they should know that about the 33rd degree? Do you think I'm being unreasonable to expect that a mason in one lodge would understand the facts, rules and regulations in another seperate lodge, even if they are different?



posted on Apr, 7 2009 @ 08:55 AM
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Originally posted by Mintwithahole.

Do you think I'm being unreasonable to expect that a mason in one lodge would understand the facts, rules and regulations in another seperate lodge, even if they are different?


It's easy to understand your confusion...it confuses a lot of Masons too!

The thing to remember is that Masonry operates differently in different places. In all places, you become a Master Mason in your Blue Lodge. While everybody there knows that the Scottish Rite has a 33°, that degree is not recognized in the Blue Lodge. So no matter what your "higher" degrees are, when you are in your Lodge, you are recognized as Master Mason only.

If a Master Mason in the USA wants the join the Scottish Rite, he simply applies for the 4° - 32°. He will receive those degrees in Scottish Rite bodies, and once he gets to the 32° he will be recognized as a 32° Mason *only* at Scottish Rite meetings (not at Blue Lodges or York Rite). In the Scottish Rite, the 32° is the highest degree that can be applied for. Outside of this, the Supreme Council confers several honors on members in recognition of service. The 33° is one of those honors, and makes the recipient an honorary member of the Supreme Council.




[edit on 7-4-2009 by Masonic Light]



posted on Apr, 7 2009 @ 09:24 AM
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to make sure you understand the whole thing, becoming a 32nd in the Scottish Rite is easy. Once you are in, all you have to do is pay your dues to remain a member. FOr that matter, some join the blue lodge and pay dues only to never set foot in the lodge again. That doesn't make them any less of a mason than the guy who doesnt' miss a meeting, but you tend to forget what masonry is all about. But there are a multitude of things you can do with the Scottish Rite to help people. There is a program called Rite Care that helps kids. There is the huge task of putting on the degrees so that new initiates can see and learn the lessons that masonry teaches. The brothers that take their time to help others and continously do so without asking for anyting in return are the ones that will most likely be invited to become a 33rd. Which is a great honor. The reason a 33rd degree mason gets and deserves respect from another mason is that most masons understand the commitment and work it takes to get there. Masonry is different things to different people. To me it's a way of living your life by the golden rule. It helps me remember that the anoying homeless guy begging for money is no less hungry because I am annoyed. It's doing the right thing simply because it's the right thing to do. You don't need masonry for this, but it does re-inforce this path in life.


And as for the question you are going to ask, I suppose it's possible that there is a super secret hidden agenda with the super high 33rds, simply because I have never sat in on one of their meetings, but the guy who owns the company you work for might be a two .ed reptilian shape shifter when you are not arround. He probably isn't, but he might be.



posted on Apr, 7 2009 @ 09:36 AM
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It's easy to understand your confusion...it confuses a lot of Masons too!


Thanks for that. I was beginning to doubt my own common sense. . . Maybe the understanding of the different levels and rites of masonry is one of the secrets? (only joking.)



posted on Apr, 7 2009 @ 09:42 AM
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And as for the question you are going to ask, I suppose it's possible that there is a super secret hidden agenda with the super high 33rds, simply because I have never sat in on one of their meetings, but the guy who owns the company you work for might be a two .ed reptilian shape shifter when you are not arround. He probably isn't, but he might be.


And thank you for that confirmation. The chances are that there Isn't anything abnormal going on in the upper eschelons of freemasonry but there's always that niggling doubt. The problem is, when you describe your ideas, and that's all they are, ideas, some masons think you're trying to rubbish the brotherhood or are insulting them- and I'm not. The whole secrecy thing fascinates me and I'm sure it's the reason so many conspiracies surround freemasonry.
As for your boss being a reptilian shape shifting reptile! I think I once went out with his daughter. .. Great kisser but her nails were far too long!



posted on Apr, 9 2009 @ 04:23 PM
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First let me say that I am not a FreeMason nor an Eastern Star. So in that respect, no I do not know what goes on during lodge meetings. I'm pretty sure when you all meet as a lodge, it's a somewhat innocent gathering. However, no Freemason/Eastern Star can tell me that they HAVEN'T gotten the impression that something else is amiss. If you've ever partaken in a ritual, you know that every minute detail of the ritual is steeped in esoteric lore. If it seems strange, it's because it IS strange. If you don't understand it, GOOD because guess what? You're not supposed to understand it at this point and time. That's a major part of their gameplan. Do now ask questions later. If you'd do your homework on the subject beforehand MOST probably wouldn't even want to participate in these things at all. That's how they get you. You sign your life away without even knowing it. Knowledge is POWER.



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posted on Apr, 15 2009 @ 01:01 AM
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Originally posted by Privy_Princess
First let me say that I am not a FreeMason nor an Eastern Star. So in that respect, no I do not know what goes on during lodge meetings. I'm pretty sure when you all meet as a lodge, it's a somewhat innocent gathering. However, no Freemason/Eastern Star can tell me that they HAVEN'T gotten the impression that something else is amiss. If you've ever partaken in a ritual, you know that every minute detail of the ritual is steeped in esoteric lore. If it seems strange, it's because it IS strange. If you don't understand it, GOOD because guess what? You're not supposed to understand it at this point and time. That's a major part of their gameplan. Do now ask questions later. If you'd do your homework on the subject beforehand MOST probably wouldn't even want to participate in these things at all. That's how they get you. You sign your life away without even knowing it. Knowledge is POWER.


Interesting that you say this and yet completely FAIL to understand that one of the primary uses of ritual over the ages has been to preserve humankind's knowledge.

Its not all summoning demons and virgin sacrifice, kiddo.




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