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posted on Jan, 14 2009 @ 07:31 PM
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Originally posted by masonwatcher
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OK, we agree to disagree. Move a long now. We have nothing more to say to each other.

Second line


So you being utterly distroyed in your own ignorance for all to see means "we'll agree to disagree". just another symptom of somone living in an imaginary world. Wake up, you no longer have an excuse for being ignorant.




posted on Jan, 14 2009 @ 11:22 PM
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Originally posted by network dude
in any case, you just have to prove that a bunch of evil masons have been slashing your tires and such and I am quite sure you would have the full support of most of the masons on this board. If you can get a video of this stalking taking place, and prove more than one person involved is a mason, I will do my best to find out what lodge they are in and make an international phone call to help your cause. The bottom line is no mason would do this. If a group of them is doing this, they need to be made an example of. See if my brethren don't aggree.

Agreed.


Originally posted by KOGDOG
Masons attack anyone who is not a "patriot". Masonry's stated goal is to "promote patriotism throughout the world". My guess is that Masonry goals would put a lot of folks at odds with this organization. "You're either with or against us..." Does that have a familiar ring to it?

Really where did you read that? The talking point is that Freemasonry makes good men better


Originally posted by KOGDOGAll you have to do is know the person that you want to use and tell them exactly what you know will enrage/offend them. Lies, gossip... twisting of facts all are in the bag of tricks by those who rule by any means necessary.

Such is the life of a conspirator.



posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 08:31 AM
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Originally posted by KOGDOG Masons attack anyone who is not a "patriot". Masonry's stated goal is to "promote patriotism throughout the world". My guess is that Masonry goals would put a lot of folks at odds with this organization. "You're either with or against us..." Does that have a familiar ring to it?

... Really where did you read that? The talking point is that Freemasonry makes good men better

Believe it or not... that was an actual quote from an add in my local newspaper paid for by our local Freemasonry cult.



posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 09:49 AM
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KOGDOG:


Originally posted by KOGDOG ...The article in question is relevant because it supports the argument that humans tend to attack anyone that appears to be a threat to their "power". [...]


Ah.

So, at some point in the seventies, Fuzzy Bruce's antagonists must have seen him as such a serious threat to their "power" that they embarked on this thirty-year mission of flattening tires, tailgating, and eventually tracking and zapping his ass from time to time with their advanced GPS system and magical EM lazer; because, obviously, a guy with flat tires and a preoccupation with his rearview mirror (who's nonetheless free to broadcast his concerns to the world on YouTube, mind you), no longer threatens their power?



posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 11:03 AM
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I mean, c'mon; the charges leveled by Masonwatcher, both directly and indirectly in this and other threads, are extraordinary, to say the very least (I doubt that I’m the only one wondering if Masonwatcher and Fuzzy Bruce are, in fact, the same individual, BTW), but what’s conspicuously absent from all of these fanciful tales of organized passive-aggression are the extraordinary motives! Surely, MW and company have some ideas as to what they might have done to evoke such extended (if not especially drastic) measures from their so-called “tormentors”? Yet, for some reason, the very aspect of their respective fantasies that might lend the most credence to their charges ...is most often neglected.

What gives?


[edit on 1/15/2009 by Icarus_Fallen]



posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 01:35 PM
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Originally posted by Icarus_Fallen
KOGDOG:


Originally posted by KOGDOG ...The article in question is relevant because it supports the argument that humans tend to attack anyone that appears to be a threat to their "power". [...]


Ah.

So, at some point in the seventies, Fuzzy Bruce's antagonists must have seen him as such a serious threat to their "power" that they embarked on this thirty-year mission of flattening tires, tailgating, and eventually tracking and zapping his ass from time to time with their advanced GPS system and magical EM lazer; because, obviously, a guy with flat tires and a preoccupation with his rearview mirror (who's nonetheless free to broadcast his concerns to the world on YouTube, mind you), no longer threatens their power?

To be honest I have not yet viewed the video. Don't need to watch what I already know to be fact. The human monkey is capable of ANYTHING. Me thinks you dost protest too much......... I know people who if you bump into them while walking down the street will mess your life up....... for good. I believe Donald Trump wrote in The Art of the Deal that the best part of being rich was that if some one offends him that he can "destroy their life". You are making way too much out of this "gang stalking" business. Perhaps you have too much faith in society/civilization/the "system". I once read of a professor at Auburn who would not pass some football boneheads in her English class. The school had her stalked. She attempted suicide. Finally she got proof. Now if an entire college will stalk a decent honorable professor for not passing a student who probably had no business even being in college... what would happen to someone who crossed the thugs who rule this world. Well..... we already know what will happen. Jesus was crucified for telling the "truth". And what did the stalkers say when Jesus confronted them....?

Joh 7:19 cut...Jesus asked:Why do you seek to kill Me?

Joh 7:20 The crowd answered and said, You have a demon! Who seeks to kill you?

Nothing new under the sun......... stalkers never change.



posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 02:03 PM
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Link?



posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 04:00 PM
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Originally posted by KSigMason
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Link?

Here is an interesting article with more examples......
Bensel-Meyers said she was harassed both on the job and there were threats of physical violence because she spoke out
I think Jan Kemp is the one I was thinking of.... it's been a while since the story broke... memory fadinnnnnnnnnng...
The Jan Kemp Affair
Interesting snippet from article......


Kemp was fired after the 1982 school year, and shortly after, she twice attempted suicide. She freely talks about the attempts, once by stabbing a butcher knife into her chest 16 times and later by swallowing all of the prescription pills in a bottle. After each failed attempt, Kemp was confined to a psychiatric ward. Supported by her mother, who claims to possess psychic powers, Kemp said she was spiritually cured at a faith-healing service at her church. Given medication to control depression, Kemp filed suit against the university. She and her husband went into debt and, had she lost the case, would have filed for bankruptcy. Kemp says those difficult days are behind her. Once described as a survivor, Kemp seems to be considerably more than that. She appears to be thriving as a result of her struggles. Walking into the faculty dining room, Kemp was greeted in friendly fashion by a roomful of colleagues, all of whom seemingly knew her. She was on first-name basis with the cafeteria workers. For someone of her height and her reputation, among some former administrators, as a rabble-rouser, Kemp comes off as soft-spoken. She has a deep Southern drawl, high cheek bones and a pleasant smile. But Kemp's manner can also be firm, and she is nothing if not fervent in her beliefs. This is a typically avid college football town. On Saturdays during the fall, Athens becomes a football mecca. Fans come from all sectors of the state to support their beloved Dawgs. Caravans of red and black mobile homes, replete with flags clamped to the hoods, park overnight on campus. Helicopters carrying the wealthy alumni from Atlanta and points south to home games are common sights a few hours before kickoff. So, when Kemp filed suit after her dismissal from the faculty, she challenged more than just a few administrators. She challenged Georgia football and all it encompasses. And she won.



posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 05:44 PM
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What did those articles have to do with "promote patriotism throughout the world"? Those articles had nothing whatsoever to do with what you said. So again, do you have a link about that Masonic advertisement?



posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 06:01 PM
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[edit on 15-1-2009 by arc de triumphe]



posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 06:01 PM
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in2worlds.net...

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Updated May 28, June 3, 2008. Complete re-write/reorganization of the original shorter research-in-progress article. Now much more comprehensive, with new material and internet links added throughout….)



“Shall we play a game?” – War Games

Overview

Gang stalking and targeted individuals…what is it, and what does it mean? Gang stalking involves an organized group of people who have been recruited to go after various individuals in the world. Victims of targeting are said to involve a myriad of people, from whistle blowers to activists of all sorts, people who are alone, vulnerable and “different” from society’s norms in any way, homosexuals, and every day sorts of people for no apparent reason. One day somebody somewhere decided that tag, the target was it, and suddenly The Game was off and running. Only….nobody filled the target in about what was going on or what the rules were.

The gang stalkers follow the targets in cars, vans, or on foot or on bikes for weeks, months, sometimes years on end, making sure that the target knows that they’re being followed and monitored as they live their life. The target will typically have their cars/residence/etc. broken into, things moved around, possibly property destroyed or computers fried out. Phones may be tapped and strange messages left on the voice mail. Slander campaigns might be put into effect to destroy the target’s reputation within their community and within any groups they may belong to. The gang stalkers may position themselves at whatever place the target may be going and then say weird random “street theater” sorts of comments to the target, or have loud conversations amongst themselves making sure that the target can hear them saying things that directly relate to the target’s personal life that they should have no way of knowing…..again, letting them know that all eyes are on them. The stalkers often move into a target’s apartment/condo complex or housing neighborhood to gain closer proximity. Even worse, according to many claims, a target can move around, even locating to other countries to try to escape the harassment and supposedly the problem will continue….which implies a vast network of people worldwide that can be “called on” when needed to go after a target. (more on this particular idea in a bit.) But all the while, doing everything in such a way that it’s almost impossible for the target to prove to people that any of it is happening, and to where the target just comes across as sounding completely crazy.

So then, are these supposed targets just paranoid and delusional?? That’s what I wondered at first too.....

more at



in2worlds.net...


[edit on 15-1-2009 by arc de triumphe]



posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 06:12 PM
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Originally posted by KSigMason
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What did those articles have to do with "promote patriotism throughout the world"? Those articles had nothing whatsoever to do with what you said. So again, do you have a link about that Masonic advertisement?

Since I already wrote that the "Masonry Patriotism" agenda was an ad in a local newspaper I assumed that you wanted "links" to the Professor's stalking. The ad to which you want a link was placed probably 15 years ago in the local paper. I doubt that a "link" can be found. At that time, I really was not interested in the Masons so did not keep the ad.



posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 06:49 PM
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Originally posted by KOGDOG ...To be honest I have not yet viewed the video. Don't need to watch what I already know to be fact [...]


Wow.

I s'pose, by your reasoning (if one could rightfully call it that), I could upload a video of myself on YouTube, sporting a trusty tinfoil-lined hat and falsely claiming to have been the victim of a decades-long organized stalking campaign, start a thread about it here at ATS; and from the thread's title and a vague summary in the OP, you'd "know" the allegations in my video "to be fact" as well, despite the fact that I'd have made the whole thing up?! Hell, I guess any charges that line up with your preconceived notions must be so validated, irrespective of the truth on the matter, then?


Originally posted by KOGDOG ...Me thinks you dost protest too much [...]


Well, unlike you, I have actually viewed the video; and in my not-entirely-uninformed estimation, Fuzzy Bruce is in dire need of psychiatric help.

I'm not defending Freemasonry here, KOGDOG (FYI, I'm not affiliated with the Masons in any way, shape, or form); I'm just trying to encourage a person in need to do the right thing. Get help.



posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 07:06 PM
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Originally posted by Icarus_Fallen
Well, unlike you, I have actually viewed the video; and in my not-entirely-uninformed estimation, Fuzzy Bruce is in dire need of psychiatric help.

I'm not defending Freemasonry here, KOGDOG (FYI, I'm not affiliated with the Masons in any way, shape, or form); I'm just trying to encourage a person in need to do the right thing. Get help.

Well...... tis like this... I have seen UFOs but rarely view videos of UFOs. Videos of UFOs are like the testimony of those who are stalked... not much can be proven from the data available. I know people are stalked simply because it is in the nature of the beast to do so.... sometimes for maintaining the pecking order.... sometimes just for fun. Freemasons fit the bill as far as reasons for even existing. A gang/club/secret society once formed will eventually use their organization to achieve their agendas.
Maybe you are right concerning the mental status of FB. I won't judge the man because I have seen what these "stalkers" can do to the "target".
"Plausible deniability"....... baby. That's what life is all about. Pick your goal and the rest will follow........................ beliefs/religion/methods/etc.



posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 07:36 PM
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Good find and interesting. As far as I am concerned, there is only one issue truly relevant to all organised stalking victims, the stalking. Things like inter dimensional beings and voice to skull technology is fanciful and the product of unresolved trauma and fostered belief systems.

More often than not, many gangstalking/organised stalking groups will try and draw in a victim to those in the periphery of the group to befriend and to encourage the paranoia of their target. My theory is that these groups foster the beliefs of things like 'voice to skull' technology, satellites tracking of victims, thousands of people in on the stalking, the remote use of electronic harassment from hidden locations miles away and the involvement of the military in the harassment.

Voice to skull technology;


blog.wired.com...



I don't buy this and think that this belief system is made only plausible for the victim through the shock of having been stalked by multiple individuals.

With the accruing paranoia, actual stalking events may decline in frequency but the victim does not know this and remains hyper-vigilant. Normally the authorities and the health professionals step in and assist a recognised victim of commonly understood stalking and give treatment. With the lack of common recognition of organised stalking, victims remain traumatised and susceptible to further influence and harassment.

Stalking laws being passed;

Page 10 paragraph 4 of the Scottish Parliament Consultation Paper


www.scottish.parliament.uk...


There are various organisation in the public and private sector that do take organised stalking seriously and do actively target gangstalking crews that may include rogue police officers. The more skilled and successful are often specialist detective agencies that only accept victims early on in their targeting.



Organized Gang Stalking normally starts slowly; trash repeatedly left in a yard, obviously following a person around, flattening a tire or leaving a nasty note. When the harassing individual(s) isn’t satisfied by the response they are getting they will ramp up the attacks. They often seek out the assistance of friends and/or family. Sometimes the reason offered to entice them to partake are legitimatized with stories of the person being a child molester, cheating spouse, or other perceived “evil” person who must be punished or drawn out of a community. Other times the reasons are honest and people do it for fun and/or self-gratification for extending control over another.


www.ohioprivateeye.com...




Another aspect of the attack is what is often described as 'electronic harassment' to which a belief system is also fostered. The amount of disinformation I have heard is too long to list and includes everything from satellite based technology to rf generating devices with outlandish properties.

The electronic harassment often turns out to be nothing more than electric sockets and plugs with the wiring switched to reverse polarities, telephone lines powered up and wrapped around household electric wiring to induce electrical harmonics, microwave ovens turned on with the door modified to stay opened and offered up through a shared wall at the victim and major household goods like refrigerators and heating boilers tampered with to create more harmonics and electro-magnetic fields.

Basically, campaigning organised stalkers aim to create a situation where the victim is living in a soup of electric pollution. The result are various neurological symptoms such as cramps and spasms on all parts of the body, fatigue, insomnia, skin rashes and cardiorespiratory reactions over the long term. When these symptoms persists, electrosensitivity develops and victims actually get allergic to cellphones, wifi and anything with an electric current. This condition is officially recognised as a disease in several developed countries and the UN.


www.electrosensitivity.org...



To finish off I will say that organised stalking is a criminal endeavour used by criminals, criminalised groups and societies, rogue police, cults and extremist groups.

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posted on Jan, 16 2009 @ 04:21 PM
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Originally posted by KOGDOG

Originally posted by KSigMason
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What did those articles have to do with "promote patriotism throughout the world"? Those articles had nothing whatsoever to do with what you said. So again, do you have a link about that Masonic advertisement?

Since I already wrote that the "Masonry Patriotism" agenda was an ad in a local newspaper I assumed that you wanted "links" to the Professor's stalking. The ad to which you want a link was placed probably 15 years ago in the local paper. I doubt that a "link" can be found. At that time, I really was not interested in the Masons so did not keep the ad.

No I was looking for the ad in the paper, but being that old I highly doubt you'll be able to find it. In regards to those articles they spoke nothing of Masonic harassment which is what I was looking for too.



posted on Jan, 16 2009 @ 05:45 PM
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In the interests of maintaining a balance in the discussions here, I should mention that the OP was about Organised Stalking as a phenomenon. It turns out that a private investigator, David Lawson was able to infiltrate these groups after accidentally listening in to one of their wireless communications.

Rather than being a figment of his imagination, these people freely spoke to him about their actions. Instead of quotemining, I will offer an excerpt:


"I also spoke with police officers from across the country. They confirmed the existence of stalking groups across the country. In general, they said that 'cause stalking' is primarily a civil problem where the plaintiff has to prove financial loss. They also said that there are free speech and grass roots issues involved. In fact, the police themselves are targets of these groups. In small towns, the number of members in these groups can easily exceed the number of police officers. In general, the police will NOT talk about stalking groups. One officer did say there is a storm brewing as groups become larger and more numerous."
Author Lawson explains here how he got involved and began to interact with the 'cause stalking' perpetrators:

"One day, several years ago, I was sitting in my house, and checking out the activity on my scanner. I heard a woman say that she was following a certain vehicle. She gave the location, the make and model of the car and the license plate number. A few days later, I heard the same woman on the same frequency say that she needed a bit of help at a certain location and a few days after that I again heard her broadcasting the position and details about another vehicle she was following. I listened to other people talking on that frequency and they didn't give any indication that they were with any government agency but they were talking about ARRESTING PEOPLE.
"On another occasion, on the same business band frequency, I heard someone complain that an African American man was crossing the street. "All we could get him for is jaywalking" responded the leader.


"People in the group would discuss where they would go for supper, after their shift was over, so I [the author] went too. I listened to a group of people openly discussing various activities as if they were the police.

"Real police officers were also sitting in the restaurant, listening to them. I later learned that their presence was not a coincidence.

"One man who had supper with the group drove a van marked with the call letters of a local AM radio station. I started listening to it. Most of the guests were people who said they had new revelations about Waco or Ruby Ridge, or had some inside story about government corruption. I also heard advertisements for the meetings of a local political group and I attended some.

"At the first meeting I attended, one young man flashed a phony police badge at me. No one paid any attention. Some of those in attendance were the people I had seen in the local restaurant. This was my introduction to the creepy world of extremists."


Quotes from D. Lawson from:

Link to Book Review

The bottom line is that there is an absence of conclusive proof by Targetted Individuals so they are forced to resort to their own speculations.



posted on Jan, 16 2009 @ 05:56 PM
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Originally posted by Nefilim
It makes me worry just how paranoid these people actually are, its kind of worrying. Do you really think that the masons are a 'secret' society? I'm telling you, if there really was a society that is as powerful as all the conspiracists make out you would have NO idea it exists.


So you're speaking on behalf of every incident masonic stalking or coverups? How would you know or be able to make such claims?!

The way you look at the subject is more worrying than anything.



posted on Jan, 24 2009 @ 03:48 PM
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Good point topsecretombomb. I don't know how these masons could vouch for all their brethren.

Maybe they are using the powers of the All Seeing Eye (snitches).



posted on Jan, 24 2009 @ 04:56 PM
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Originally posted by masonwatcher
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Good point topsecretombomb. I don't know how these masons could vouch for all their brethren.

Maybe they are using the powers of the All Seeing Eye (snitches).
This is a misnomer, as you're well aware. How many times have Masons posted in reply to your threads by saying that if individuals were acting as such within our lodges we'd kick them out? How many times have Masons here said "Of course we can't ALL be good, but you can't judge the merits of the whole by the misdeeds of the few?"





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