9/11 Commissioner slips up, says missile hit Pentagon

Originally posted by fleabit
After the attacks, sure, he is in hiding. After the attacks he ADMITTED to planning.

Here's another example of Fleabit's dishonesty. Being a tireless government disinformation specialist, he thinks if he keeps repeating the same lies over and over for seven years, someone will eventually believe him:

Bin Laden says he wasn't behind attacks
September 17, 2001 Posted: 11:21 AM EDT (1521 GMT)

DOHA, Qatar (CNN) -- Islamic militant leader Osama bin Laden, the man the United States considers the prime suspect in last week's terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, denied any role Sunday in the actions believed to have killed thousands.
In a statement issued to the Arabic satellite channel Al Jazeera, based in Qatar, bin Laden said, "The U.S. government has consistently blamed me for being behind every occasion its enemies attack it.

"I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons," bin Laden's statement said.

As far as Operation Northwood or any other operation goes, that's misdirection on your part to try and prove this was a coverup. It proves NOTHING other than what people will TRY to plan. You are suggesting here, that they managed to carry it off successfully.

Fleabit, you crack me up! Just because the U.S. government planned to hijack commercial aircraft and carry out false-flag terrorist attacks against it's own citizens to frame Cuba proves NOTHING? When FDR and his senior war advisors knew EVERYTHING weeks in advance about the Japanese plans to attack Pearl Harbor -- including exact time and date -- it proved NOTHING? Just because the U.S. government fabricated the Gulf of Tonkin incident (declassified NSA documents quote LBJ as saying, "those Navy boys were shooting at a bunch of flying fish!"), it proves NOTHING? The fact that the government has constantly lied about EVERYTHING, from the USS Liberty to Waco to Oklahoma City to TWA 800 to WMDs in Iraq definitely proves SOMETHING.

What these decades of deceit prove is what I've proven about you: once a liar, always a liar. When you perjure yourself in a court of law, ALL your testimony is assumed to be false and thrown out. Too bad there's not a three-strikes law for criminal governments. This one would be doing life.

Er.. and Fleece.. which is it for you? I thought you supported the flyover theory? Um.. but now you say it's a painted jet. But.. no.. it's a missile! Hm.. I am not sure you know what you really believe. As long as it was a government cover-up, you're happy.

Er.. and Fleabit.. stop being disingenuous by pretending you have any clue of what I believe or don't believe. I haven't posted in the 9/11 forum for months. And even if I had expressed an opinion, who says a missile and diversionary flyover have to be either/or?

And if a single WTC building had been flown into and collapsed, it would STILL be 9/11. It would still be a vivid statement. Heck.. why not just blow up the stock exchange, since supposedly they were trying to do in our economy?

Here we go again -- Fleabit the terror analyst and 9/11 color commentator with his endless 'what ifs' and 'why nots.' Heck.. I think you should advise the neocons on how to appear more credible during their next false-flag terrorist attack. Why don't you put in for a job transfer?

And yes.. it WAS perfectly conducted, if the best you can go on is light poles would have flown farther, "pull out" means it was demolition, and someone saying missile could ONLY mean they are apparently brilliant enough to pull this off.. but STUPID enough to blurt this out to the public. Hmm.. he couldn't possibly be talking about using planes as missiles.. because it doesn't fit in with your theories.

Blah, blah, blah. How many hours a day do you spend writing this crap? Rumsfeld, Silverstein and this 9/11 Commissioner Tim Roemer are more mindlessly careless than stupid, but we're the ones laughing when they confirm what really happened by implicating themselves.




[edit on 13-1-2009 by GoldenFleece]

Does anyone here have a link with supporting Audio to the Pentagon attack? I can tell you if its a plane or not by listening to the tape.

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reply to post by pinch


The mentally challenged often laugh when they don't understand something. Go back to your remedial physical science teacher and ask how wood and paper burn at 2900 degrees. The only reason I laugh at you is because your opinion is so stupid it's funny.

Originally posted by Trolloks
fine, you saw the planes, but your still avoiding answering the question.

How can 2 planes bring down 3 buildings??

the same way you can knock down 1000 dominoes with a single flick of the finger...

Originally posted by tezzajw
The most active of all imaginations would be the one that tries to define a commercial passenger aeroplane as being a missile.

How often did an ex-pilot, such as yourself, ever refer to any other plane in the sky as a missile?

Active imaginations, indeed...

[edit on 10-1-2009 by tezzajw]

thats how i describe it...the plane was basically a missle.


and how often is a plane used a missle? why would a pilot refer to planes as missles?


of course pilots arent going to refer to planes as a missle unless it is indeed being used as a missle.



it doesnt have to have a warhead at the tip of a rocket to be called a missle does it?



would you call a rocket a missle? because thats basically what missles are/can be.



if i throw a shoe from the stands at a sports game and hit a player on the head....its technically a missle...

reply to post by wheazy


Buildings the size of the WTC would have maintenance crews all the time repairing and inspecting the building on a daily basis...it would not be hard if Bushes Cousin ran security so that certain crews could inspect the infastructure of the building out of the view of the people who worked there...thats a no brainer...you would be use to seeing these people..the Elevators are or where inside the main structure of the building...this is the spot where you need the explosives. Who works inside the Elevators...Plasma arc welding equippment could have cut the main beams at the percise spot....Plus...they never claimed the planes knocked down the buildings...there claim was the fire softened the steel...Problem with that is Steel gives off heat as fast as it gains heat....so what would maintain a heat at 1200 F in an altitude that there would be constant wind to cool the frame or steel....that was covered with Aspestos. Now why would they say fire caused the fall....because the Engineers and Arch. know that the buildings were built to withstand more than one hit from a plane...no matter what size it was.

Originally posted by cluckerspud...decide over chicken or fish...

That would be deciding over your fauna.

"What kind of fauna did you have for dinner?" I hear it every day, don't you?

reply to post by CTrider


By this definition, an actual missile is not "forcibly propelled" either--it is in fact self-propelled via solid fuel (typically).

A missile is anything flying that tangentially is/can be used as a weapon. Tornadoes create missiles out of fenceposts, although clearly tornadoes have no hostile intent. It's irrelevant.

Some of you want to throw out definitions and common, practical uses of words to fit your tinfoil hat theories; alas, the English language doesn't work like that.

Originally posted by pinch

Originally posted by tezzajw
They're all laughing at us.

You got that right. Laughing at you because of of your creative imaginations. One of the definitions: "Mis"sile\, n. [L. missile.] A weapon thrown or projected or intended to be projcted (sic), as a lance, an arrow, or a bullet."

Read that again - "a weapon...projected" A 90 ton airliner used as a weapon on an attack against a building is indeed, a missile. A manned-missile, in this case. A car can be a weapon, depending on how it is used. A hammer can be a weapon. A pencil can be a weapon. An airliner can be a weapon.

So yes, we are ALL laughing at you and will continue to do so on a regular basis.

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Yea... you stretching this a bit to far IMO. LOL.. wow.. so what about the EXPLOSIVES IN THE TOWERS. ??? wow.. but .. yea.. keep thinking that line of BS. Sorry, you have to use extremes to protect the guilty.


And furthermore, we can't take littlerly what the officials SAY in their speeches as literal ??? hmmm.. so .. ahh.. well.. i guess your right .. we shouldn't believe a damm thing THEY SAY if all they're using is metaphors.. right?? *sigh*.. really really pathetic.

I really smell a disinfo agent amongst us now.



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reply to post by driveshaft08

wake up people, see whats right in front of your eyes, either that or remain blind forever! us government? liars! cheats! and masters of deception! and thats it, WAKE UP AND SEE WHATS REALLY IN FRONT OF YOU>

Follow the money trail.Did Silverstein milk the 3000 deaths for Billions of dollars thru insurance to the hilt ? Did he use the word "PULL" the buildings? Which plane hit Blg 7 which crashed in seconds like a house of cards ? Why did at least the second plane have no windows ? Was the second plane scrambled only after the first one hit ? Was the second plane waiting for clearance to finish the job ? Why were all the remains secreted off by metal scrappers OVERSEAS ? Why did the basement inferno continue for months ? Why were Jewish workers told to not come to work 911 ? Were there Jewish hired experts doing the works so Americans would get back in the war ? The burning faces of the dead want to know. OK,don't believe me.Find out yourself.

reply to post by tezzajw


yes you're right they are laughing at us all the way to the bank

reply to post by pinch


Oh yeah and baseball players talk all the time about catching a projectile and football players refer to the ball as an inflated ovoid. People call things what they are and a plane would not fit in that hole! If you really want to hear PROFESSIONAL opinions go check out Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity. These are guys who know what they are talking about, who DID NOT PROFIT from 911 and don't have any reason to lie about what they know. Have you ever really looked at GWB or Cheney when they talk about this? Bush is shifty eyed and evasive and has all the trademarks of someone who is lying and knows he is going to get caught. Cheney is smug and self-satisfied, so pleased with the death he has wrought and the money he has made and that sneering smile says to the world "I got away with it and even with all the obvious truth right in front of you, you can't and won't do anything about it"

reply to post by Chadwickus


easy, by having all the alarms and cameras turned off the weekend before for unscheduled maintenance, by having the security provided by a firm which is based in Israel where even if they did get caught they could not be extradited from, by having all the alarms that day set to a test sequence ensuring that they would be ignored, etc. etc. . Maybe before making unqualified statements you should go read the information and testimonies that are provided by someone other than Dick Cheney and Fox News. If the powers that be really wanted us to know what happened, why did GWB obstruct, again and again, any investigation? At first he said there would not be one! (What? Not investigate the biggest crime of the century?) Why was the 911 commission report so full of glaring errors and contradictions? Why did they ignore testimony which went against what they wanted to find? Why did they ignore WTC7? It's just like the "magic bullet" all over again and most of America is just going to shut up and take it because "it can't happen here" Well that's bull****, it is happening here and I'm not going to take it.

[edit on 14-1-2009 by neves49]

If you really want to hear PROFESSIONAL opinions go check out Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity. These are guys who know what they are talking about, who DID NOT PROFIT from 911 and don't have any reason to lie about what they know.

Actually, I was watching a special on the tube that covered all the claims of conspiracy folks. One of the guys interviewed was a guy that one of the first on-site after after the crash. He is a specialist, with almost 30 years in the field. He worked on the details endlessly for around 10 months. All his conclusions were that a plane indeed, hit the Pentagon.

In fact, he sounded miffed. He said he was surprised anyone could listen to these conspiracy theories, when people like him with years of experience, and on-site investigation for months, have come to a conclusion. He said there was no doubt in his mind from everything he has seen, that a jet did collide with the building.

But I guess it really doesn't matter. When you are a conspiracy guy, it's easy to say "omg he is one of THEM!" to blow off any credible testimony. Everyone who doesn't agree with you is either lying, stupid, or 'one of them.' Happens here all the time in fact. It's astounding the # of 'disinfo agents' are on these very boards! Apparantly I am one (according to Fleece) in fact. Even though I believe in UFOs, when I disagreed with something about a case, I was also a UFO disinfo agent. hmm.. I should ask for a pay raise, I do not get paid enough for all my disinfo work.

From what I've seen, the answer to any logical question is that either: you are a disinfo agent, it is ignored, or some really stupid answer is given, and you are expected to just buy it. Apparently the jet is a giant magicians illusion / trick now hmm? Common sense is not allowed. If you disagree with these theories, you are an agent! Absolutely NO alternate theories or serious questions are allowed.

But so far, via a weird method of seeing how people react, you can find the weak spots in these theories. If you get set upon like rabid dogs on a steak, you are probably making sense, and asking questions that folks don't have logical answers for. The insults start flying, and sometimes you even get ignored. I'll let folks argue over this one.... I personally don't think that someone using the term missile to describe the plane, which I heard MANY people use (even the day OF from news sources), means he is admitting anything. But I'll never convince anyone who grips like a steel trap *anything* they can get their teeth into to try and support their weak claims, that he meant this. In their mind, it's already an open-and-shut case.

reply to post by fleabit


What special on "the tube" was that? You give no name and no reference and since you say the tube, I must assume you mean that box that broadcasts everything that the powers that be want you to believe in between American Idol and America's Funniest Home Videos. Where are the wings, where is the tail section, where are the titanium engine parts, where is the hole big enough for a plane and why did it hit the only offices where proof may have been found of what Dov Zakheim did with the Three trillion dollars+?

And I don't think you are a "disinfo agent" just deluded into believing "it can't happen here" just like they couldn't kill Kennedy or try to sink the Liberty and get away with it.

Originally posted by neves49
reply to post by tezzajw

 

yes you're right they are laughing at us all the way to the bank

and all the way to the middle east. We're being ripped off on both sides of the world

reply to post by fleabit

So did this self described expert say where the other engine went?
Any mention of all the radioactivity at the site?
And speaking of that which is not consumed by fire,any proof of finding the counterweights?Made of very dense metal,tungsten,which is also used as a high production cutting bit at up to red heat.
Didn't think so.
And speaking of thinking,thinking for yourself is hard,better back to the TV.That way,later,you can say with all the good Germans,I had no idea...

reply to post by wheazy


The dominoes all strike one another in sequence and then they fall over, laterally, not straight down into their own footprint leaving pools of molten metal which can be seen with infra-red photography from space for weeks afterwords. What a lame comparison, but what is to be expected from one of the American Idol watching sheeple.

Bread and Circuses people

Originally posted by trueforger
reply to post by fleabit

 

Made of very dense metal,tungsten,which is also used as a high production cutting bit at up to red heat.
Didn't think so.

ive seen tungsten bits burn up all the time. try cutting some aluminum for 10 minutes without any coolant...the bit will turn bright red and completely disintegrate in front of your eyes.


im fairly certain that jet fuel will get a tad hotter than friction caused from aluminum and tungsten grinding together



maybe the govt did do 9/11, but they did it with planes (missles), not explosives or any other majic tricks you conspiracy theorists come up with