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Casimir effect and anti-gravity?

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posted on Jan, 20 2009 @ 01:36 AM
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Originally posted by theresult
reply to post by Intothepitwego
 


OOOKKK

so the guy who said dreamed up relitivity is nuts???


I do not believe that I said anything either way to that effect. Feel free to quote me when you libel me.


I Mean you CAN READ IT ON WIKI


No, you can read it on wiki. I prefer sources not written by people who type things like NRG.


so you saying just coz its on wiki its fake????????

I mean READ IT¬!!!!!


I never sad that meant it was fake. What I said was that you stole it. You just plain old ripped of wikipedia and tried to pass it off as your own explanation of zero-point energy. You still have refused to give credit where it was due and I feel pretty safe in saying that you could never type what any of that meant in your own words.


Jeezus//


Is this an exclamation or address?


Look u said im a john hutchinson lover .. When i aint..


Then you should not have spent so many posts defending him as real or insulting my intelligence for not believing in him.


then you say show me a working application WHEN I CANT..


But ya swore you could, you even said that you did. Now you can't? Have you ever heard this phrase "oops, sorry it turns out that I am wrong?"


But i Can point out the UNDERLYING PRINCIPLE OF IT...

or do u dissagree???????


So far....disagree. You have spent pages and pages doing anything but demonstrating what an actual zero point energy system is.



i mean the discusion is about gravity and the effect of the zeropoint energy THEORY


Yeah, you did get something right!


you are sayin to me PROVE ZEROPOINT right??


You did insult me for calling it fake. Actually, you called it fake but you did not understand the word you used.


I did well its "theory" so what affect WOULD IT HAVE on GRAVITY

read the thread topic it helps...
I will, can you be nice when telling us how stupid we are for knowing hutchinson is a fraud and zeropoint is still unproven as hell.


dont take it to heart./


I try nbot to, I sure hope that you don't either.




posted on Jan, 20 2009 @ 01:42 AM
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Originally posted by theresult
reply to post by Luciferdescending
 


That you can infact tap into the engery of the universe...

its called PRINCIPLE/./

man i dont even know why i bother....

Iwishicould.. atleast im ur foe lol u added me coz you hate how i type thats ok tho :p

becouse i dont have foes..

Only understanding..


and thanks for the u2u


Ummmmm..... hun....I do not know how to tell you this but um uh....there is no one on my foe list and I have never sent you any U2Us, ever.

I honestly do not know why you bother either. You do not know the meanings of many of the words you use, you spend pages defending a proven hoaxer, and you start insulting people just because they do not believe in the very thing you now say does not need to be proven? Why do you keep on bothering?



posted on Jan, 20 2009 @ 01:44 AM
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Originally posted by theresult
and just to point out...

The Very wording you challenged me with was from wiki also Correct??

or am i stupid?

so please ..


You are going to have to be waaaaaaaaaay more specific than that.



posted on Jan, 20 2009 @ 01:44 AM
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I'm really not understanding why you keep bringing up Einstein and "The Friction of the Universe". Show me some equations that prove that a zero point energy system works. I took a quote from your favorite sources stating that zero point energy systems don't work, and why. They also point out that the Casimir effect may not be zero point after all. There are theories that state that the Casimir effect may be due to other factors... and they are just as valid as the zero point theory. Which one is correct? We don't know. Simply yelling out "EINSTEIN" and "ELECTRICTY" doesn't convince me. I need to see a scientific study or equations (that I can work out). I want you to reread my quotes. They say that zero state energy is the least amount. You cannot get any appreciable amount of energy out of zero state (or point) energy.

In case you don't want to go back... here is the quote again:


The discovery of zero point energy does not improve the world's prospects for perpetual motion machines. Much attention has been given to reputable science suggesting that zero point energy is infinite. But zero point energy is a minimum energy below which a thermodynamic system can never go, thus none of this energy can be withdrawn without altering the system to a different form in which the system has a lower zero point energy. The calculation that underlies the Casimir experiment, a calculation based on the formula predicting infinite vacuum energy, shows the zero point energy of a system consisting of a vacuum between two plates will decrease at a finite rate as the two plates are drawn together. The vacuum energies are predicted to be infinite, but the changes are predicted to be finite. Casimir combined the projected rate of change in zero point energy with the principle of conservation of energy to predict a force on the plates. The predicted force, which is very small and was experimentally measured to be within 5% of its predicted value, is finite.[8] Even though the zero point energy might be infinite, there is no theoretical basis or practical evidence to suggest that infinite amounts of zero point energy are available for use, that zero point energy can be withdrawn for free, or that zero point energy can be used in violation of conservation of energy.


Your favorite source


I hope that this clears up your misconceptions that you can get any appreciable energy out of zero state systems.



posted on Jan, 20 2009 @ 01:46 AM
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I give up...

You can not debate a theory you demand proof...

do you demand the same proof of god? or being alive? do you demand proof for everying iwishicould?

when your entier life is based on infintiy and whatever els??

tell me something... why are you here?

same reason you cant tell me there aint a reason why we cant debate zeropoint energys effect on gravatons..



And i didnt make you a foe.. you made me one.. Do i p# u off?



posted on Jan, 20 2009 @ 01:50 AM
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ahh the joy...

you picked JUST LIKE ME information relitive to the topic..

But yet you use it against me to prove me wrong when i only SHOWED what they said or "theorised" correct??

or am i missing something

Dont try to use the very same thing i used .. becouse that then becomes false also

correct?

1+1 = 0 in your argument sir sorry



posted on Jan, 20 2009 @ 01:52 AM
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that was ment for iwishicould

I do apologise.. my bad

Please feel free to keep flaming me tho



posted on Jan, 20 2009 @ 01:53 AM
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I'm here to "Deny Ignorance". I cannot believe something just because some guy on the Internet tells me to. There was a time (when I was a small child), that I believed in things without proof...but no longer.



posted on Jan, 20 2009 @ 01:56 AM
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Originally posted by theresult
reply to post by Amniodarone
 


ahh the joy...

you picked JUST LIKE ME information relitive to the topic..

But yet you use it against me to prove me wrong when i only SHOWED what they said or "theorised" correct??

or am i missing something

Dont try to use the very same thing i used .. becouse that then becomes false also

correct?

1+1 = 0 in your argument sir sorry



I never had a problem with your source... I only have a problem with you quoting something without giving the author proper acknowledgement for the work.

Had you quoted the source... none of us would have the slightest problem with it. But, you didn't. You attempted to play it off as your own.



posted on Jan, 20 2009 @ 02:05 AM
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posted on Jan, 20 2009 @ 02:11 AM
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reply to post by Amniodarone
 


err sorry but i didnt...

he asked me for proof of zeropoint..

I gave him something to read on wiki that in my mind helps us to understand

How zeropoint can affect gravitons.. or how we think it could!!

jeez....

did i say that was my own?? NO I DIDNT

he posted the very same thing from the very same page i READ

i posted it becouse the guys who thought of it are infact scientests...

im only trying to point out the THEORY here... not applications

i hate trolls who demand proof and cant hypothersise

DO YOU DEMAND PROOF OF GOD? no you dont...

its a hyperthetical question..

and me being into math.. more than is healthy

EVERYTHING IS POSSIBLE

so please ... dont bash me on my head with crap/./

your alive

did you think that was possible?? LOL

zeropoint is the LEAST of my problems

pathetic..



posted on Jan, 20 2009 @ 02:50 AM
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Originally posted by theresult
I give up...

You can not debate a theory you demand proof...

do you demand the same proof of god?
yes

or being alive?
I can observe that I am alive, cannot you?

do you demand proof for everying iwishicould?
Not nearly everything, just crap that is fraudulent or a blatant lie or just really really hard to accept.


when your entier life is based on infintiy and whatever els??

tell me something... why are you here?


Is that relevant to the thread? I am hear to read stuff from people smart enough not to point to the word pseudoscience and then tell me that word proves it is real. I am still having trouble getting over that doozy.


same reason you cant tell me there aint a reason why we cant debate zeropoint energys effect on gravatons..
debate anything you like. I did not start all this with you. I simply pointed out that the man you were holding up to use for this discussion was a fraud and a bad one. I do not agree with debating or discussing known and proven frauds.




And i didnt make you a foe.. you made me one.. Do i p# u off?


I still do not have a clue where that comes from. You are not on my foe list either. So if it is not me, not the one you originally said it was, do you have any clue what you are talking about when it comes to anything?



posted on Jan, 20 2009 @ 02:56 AM
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i did reply if u bother to check

it was my mistake hitting the reply button unless

do you demand proof for everying iwishicould?

Not nearly everything, just crap that is fraudulent or a blatant lie or just really really hard to accept.


you are the same person?

I said iwishicould.... who is anothe poster???

but yet you post like he would react? strange?

hope you had a lesson proven

I shall edit this just to point 2 things out..

iwishicould is a member of ATS unless im wrong?

look at what i infact asked you...

"do you demand proof for everying iwishicould?"

did i ask you???

seems i did ? why?

Not nearly everything, just crap that is fraudulent or a blatant lie or just really really hard to accept.

unless you are speaking for a person that is not infact you

iwishicould

or am i missing something?

you answer me in afermitive... do you undertand what question i infact asked you?

no you didnt...

I did

btw

im very good at poker


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posted on Jan, 20 2009 @ 03:04 AM
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The off topic post's and personal sniping cease now.

Anymore and warnings will ensue.



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posted on Jan, 20 2009 @ 03:15 AM
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yes i agree but.. the way you talked to me seemd it was iwishicould..

Not nearly everything, just crap that is fraudulent or a blatant lie or just really really hard to accept.

look at the responce???

i asked iwishicould a question Not you??

but you said NOT.. its like you are speaking for him???

dont know why we are even having this lame arguement

i think zeropoint energy can affect gravity

thats my story... and im sorry if you want me to prove it.. but tbh its all theoretical.

you being here is theoreticall..

dont ask me to prove jack jiiggery

YOU ARE MY PROOF

alive are we?

and you dont want to talk about INFINTIY??

ohh nooo whats infinity got to do with zeropoint!!

becouse infinity means ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE

jeez... its debate not a PROOF contest... fs


mods pleas done hash my points :/



posted on Jan, 20 2009 @ 03:16 AM
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posted on Jan, 20 2009 @ 03:18 AM
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This is the topic of the Thread:

"Casimir effect and anti-gravity?"

Anything else is Off Topic

Including replying to Off Topic Posts

After the warning come removal of Posting Privileges

Fair Warning... again


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