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No, I think us "skeptics" aren't trying to derail anything, but expose nonsense threads. There isn't any sort of conspiracy, "mind control", or supernatural force at hand here in any of those videos or examples. Yanking objects, quotes, shapes, or pictures out of context from films, and contributing these things to otherworldly forces/conspiracies is asinine. The only thing I'm seeing here is either analogous or interpretation, neither of which is solid ground for a new section here at ATS. Jeff Bridges sitting with his hands over his head is the Illuminati symbol for the "all seeing eye"?
Originally posted by Beefcake
Well Op you seemed to have struck a chord with some folks here at ats. Even though this is a conspiracy site many of your detractors seem to not even believe in conspiracies so this in itself exposes them and dis-info skeptics who just try to derail threads with nonsense arguments.
Originally posted by Game_Over
the truth is that there is tons of symbolism in Hollywood movies. Can we all agree on that?
If so, then there is a need to discuss it and dissect it to reveal possible meaning.
I believe we are running into obstacles when we try to impart our interpretations as being THE DEFINITIVE meaning.
So to sum it up, EVERYTHING that is filmed, has a PURPOSE that is discussed and debated many times before it is approved and implemented. While a symbol may be used with intention, that intention may not be known by everyone working on the film, including the director.
Great thread and looking forward to the eventual MESSAGES IN THE MEDIA topic.
Originally posted by alienj
reply to post by Doomsday 2029
The last thing I want to do is insult but I am a staight forward guy. Most writers, film producers etc, etc are artists. These artisit draws on what society gives them for thier idea's. If I am writing a comedy I am going to draw on the experience that I have had in my life and my knowledge of past and possible futures to make jokes that work. As a science fiction writer I am going to draw on the knowledge that I have in front of me along with the fears of the society in which I live in. I truly believe artists have an inside connection to humanity's soul. So its not absurd to believe that I writer could anaylize what is going on around him and take those views along with folk lore, ancient history, mix in some sublimal links(btw that was a week long discussion in my language arts class when we were discussing written works of art, to make something more believable add in folk lore and symbolism to make it more believable.
FOR EXAMPLE: Take the long running hit "Stargate SG-1" and the movie. They took our real history, tweaked it so that our past Hero's, Villans, World Rulers were actually aliens and then added in the symbolism to link these idea's to the storyline. Which in my opinion is what made the show a hit. One half believable mixed with one quarter scifi mixed with one quarter symbolism.
The movies you have linked were written and directed by very talented artists, I believe your belief in a consipiracy btw these movies and the symbolism just shows how talented they are. They have created a story that with a stretch answers questions we dont have the answers too and thus makes us want to believe. I am not trying to pound on you or your beliefs because by all means I could belong but in my life I use the Ockham's razor's philosophy in my life and judgeing things around me(Usually the simplest answer is the right one) which has a current version too we sometimes refer too as K.I.S.S. or keep it simple stupid(a bit harsher).