Are conspiracy theories becoming a religion?, page 1
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reply posted on 9-1-2009 @ 08:26 PM by Revolution-2012
Not unless you're an idiot.

They are theories, ie the word theory.



reply posted on 10-1-2009 @ 01:48 AM by 987931
Nice post, to this staunch atheist, I see a striking similarity.

Specifically, like most religions, some forms of conspiracy theory put immense store in the idea of higher powers. In the case of religion, the higher power is very often seen as omnipotent and omniscient, therefore capable of revealing and concealing secrets of the universe, punishing or rewarding people, and so forth.

I think the reason for religions and analogous forms of conspiracy theory are one and the same. Because we, as humans, can intentionally control and alter our environments, we massively overestimate the degree to which events in the world are consciously controlled and manipulated.

I'm not saying conspiracies don't happen; they're a part of every day life. Here, I mean conspiracy in the sense of secret agreements between two or more people that cause or have the potential to cause some kind of harm to others.

I think, though, the vast majority of conspiracies are rather ad hoc, local, often downright tenuous and often frought with internal conflict. Evidence indicates certain conspiracies have been a little grander, but even then I think we tend to attribute way too much intention.

A useful analogy can be drawn with the response of an organism to biological threat. If a foreign body, especially a pathogen, enters the internal body of a complex organism, its immune system is triggered into action. Its action is incredibly complex, seemingly orchestrated, and may consume substantial energy and resources if a disease poses subtantial threat.

Doesn't this describe the hallmarks of what people interpret as elaborate and orchestrated conspiracies?

I think social, governmental and organisational systems behave a lot like complex adaptive systems such as the human body. Denials, cover-ups, threats and so forth are very real when any such system encounters threats to itself. However, this doesn't imply anything more than networks of local, ad hoc conspiracies; nothing grand.

For example, suppose a drug company is sued for harmful effects, a PR employee might meet with directors, decisions will likely be made to actively keep it under wraps. The same applies to a situation involving a threat to profits.

Reacting against threats to interests is an integral function of the organisation. Unfortunately, having worked in government, I think the same applies there, although it is more cancerous, serving primarily to protect itself for no ends (not even profit!).

Unchecked, it becomes a problem, but no matter how endemic such problems may become, there is no need to ascribe grand and orchestrated conspiracy to higher powers. Things just tend to react in their own interests when those interests are threatened. All cases of conspiracy have this in common.

It seems to me that like most religions, some forms of conspiracy theory do put immense store in the idea of higher powers. I've seen no evidence of deities. I question the attribution of immense 'higher' power in the hands of very few in relevant conspiracy theories and, as an atheist, see striking parallels with religion in such cases.

I think dictator-types likely create the external impression of conspiracy in some cases where palpable harm occurs, at the emotional cost of those who unwittingly aid the dictator.

Given that to avoid harm, one needs to understand its sources, I think this is a very important topic.

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reply posted on 10-1-2009 @ 05:34 PM by hey1212
Originally posted by 987931

I'm not saying conspiracies don't happen; they're a part of every day life. Here, I mean conspiracy in the sense of secret agreements between two or more people that cause or have the potential to cause some kind of harm to others.

I think, though, the vast majority of conspiracies are rather ad hoc, local, often downright tenuous and often frought with internal conflict. Evidence indicates certain conspiracies have been a little grander, but even then I think we tend to attribute way too much intention.




I believe in conspiracy theories and double edged swords and i also agree with the conspirers on some accounts like not disclosing alien info or technology etc if it exists cos i don't think people in general would react positively.

However i do find it harder to swallow NWO conspiracies cos how come then there has never been public power struggles or assassinations etc for such coveted positions of power.

And if there is a higher force looking over the world affairs why would they automatically have to be evil?

Why couldn't they be people who have prevented horrors rather than perpetrate them? The answer i believe is because we'd rather believe that they were evil because conspiracies in general have to be of a darker nature.

What if a NWO was really a "Jedi Knight Council" thing of great minds trying to help control the world. Could that be any worse than thoughts of all the power being in the hands of our tyrants and incompetent leaders? I believe not but hey what do i know!!!

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