I realized I also forgot to mention....

Just because some ancient dudes wrote something down hundreds of years ago doesn't mean we should *believe* it to be true today.

Look, I saw a guy on CNBC tell people to buy shares in AIG the day before they went under. Now, I see regular evidence of people with advanced computer and information technology making horrific predictions so why should I place any value in something some ignorant savage wrote on a rock a thousand years ago or more?

Do you really think that some ancient writings, that we cannot actually read or properly understand, is something you should take seriously in these modern times?

So...let me get this straight....

If I walk down main street carrying a sign that says 'the world is ending' everyone would consider me a kook.

However.......if 600 years ago I write a sign that says, in an ancient and dead language, that 'the world is coming to an end' and then I leave this sign laying around in my hut, only to be found centuries later by an amateur archeologist, we all shake and rattle in our boots?

Hey, at least they guy walking down main street today carrying a sign has the tremendous advantage of actually living in the current culture.

It seems to me I have some books of Revelation to sell to some ATS members at a low-low price......

Seriously, why do any of you put any stock whatsoever in the writings of ancient, ignorant, primitive and savage people? How do you trust that any one, respected scholar or bullsh*t artist scholar, is capable of translating the actual meaning of the dead languages and, even if they could, why would you give it any weight or importance relative to modern life?

To be frank, it both saddens and astonishes me that people on this planet place more of their belief system into the writings of ancient savages rather than the latest discoveries with our own eyes, ears, intellect, and scientific instruments of this modern age.

How truly, truly, sad indeed.


JOhn

Thanks for that Ex_mis' This is building into a brilliant source of information for me and hopefully to a lot of other people (although Id be happy if it only helped one other person apart from myself)

I do believe part of the solutions is spreading the word as much as possible For example - my mother and father scoffed at the idea that 9-11 was not what it appeared to be - oh how their minds changed after I sat them down to watch loose change They would never have begun to research something like that if they hadnt been told about it.

This is why any info that is provided on this thread is valued as it can only help to educate - even the stuff that is nonsense. We need the rubbish in there to help us determine what the truth is (if that makes sense)

One question to Ex in particular - in terms of these FEMA camps NWO etc How do you think the UK will figure in all this Im British myself and a lot of what I see seems to be aimed at the downfall of America - Where do we fit in? I know this is slightly off topic and I dont want it expanded on as its for another thread possibly but if you could just give be a brief opinion Id be interested

Thanks again

I find myself in a 50/50 situation with regards to the likes of the Mayan calender and so on (Im a bit of a fencesitter much of the time and try to see both sides whenever I can which can lead to forming a decision being quite tricky) I think theres something in these old texts - their tevel of technology alone leads me to believe they may have been onto something or had access to info long lost to us. I found Eaths forbidden secrets and Uriels machine to be very informative and interesting

On the flip side I think that how can we say (for example) that 21st Dec 2012 is the end of the Mayan calender With all the changes to our calenders over time and the intro of leap years etc how can we positively say that is the exact date in our calender that it ends?!

As it has already been said - the rabbit hole does indeed go deep and its gonna be one hell of a ride

Thanks again

>>9/11 press for truth - the confirmed lies in the 9/11 report

Sigh, you guys really should stop this sort of thing. 9/11. Terrorists. Planes. Building. Crash. Boom. Flames. Sad.

The end.

>>Bohemian Grove - cremation of care

A 100 year old exclusive party of rich folks to get laid and have fun. Look, stop getting hung up because you didn't get invited.

>>Alex Jones is pretty over the top so to speak, but a lot of what he
is saying is verifiable.

Yes, verifiability crashing a party that he didn't get invited to.

I have sad news to the conspiratorial minded of ATS. Rich people will always have meetings with their other rich friends to talk about things which concern other rich people and you aren't invited. Get over it. Or, at least, hold a kick ass party at your house and don't invite any rich white people so you can get back at them.

Either way, let it go.

>>If you want to see video of the FEMA detention centers they are
on youtube, and explain things like the barb wire leaning in like
a prison and not out, ie. keep ppl in not keep ppl out.

FEMA, blah, blah, blah, FEMA, FEMA, FEMA.

Look, I'm not even a conspiracy nut, and yet still I've got a gun. So do you I'm sure. So does everyone else. Long before people will allow themselves to be 'rounded up' by FEMA they will defend their property *as is their right*.

If that day ever comes to pass, I'll stand side by side with my conspiracy nut brothers and mow down the FEMA-Nazis. Until then, as I reside comfortably in my lake community as I have these past 15 years, I'm not overly concerned.

The fact of the matter is that I don't see how you have a better quality of life obsessing about conspiracies that are far beyond control than I do by not obsessing about them?

I mean, look, conspiracy nuts have been been worried about this sort of thing as long as I can remember. I'm nearly 50 years old and I've never seen anything happen and I doubt very seriously I ever will.

That said, what good is in worrying about it? Sure, buy some guns and ammo. It's still your right as an American, so exercise it. Make a vow that you will defend your home, family and property which, still, is your right as an American.

Meanwhile..I recommend you go to the lake, ride your bike, play with your child, enjoy, live, eat, and breath your life.

I have news to all of you. I did a little bit of research and you may be astonished to learn what I found.

It just so turns out (and I was shocked and surprised to hear this myself) is that life is 100% fatal.

Yep, you heard me. For all of recorded human history every single human being who has ever lived did, in fact die. Yes, each and every one of us, high to low, low to high, is going to die. Even those rich white folks who like going to their trashy parties. All of them.

What's even worse if you have no idea when it is going to happen. You could die today, tomorrow, or fifty years from now.

What I find sad is wasting your time worrying about it, or worrying about forces far outside of your control.

Don't get me wrong, I guess if worrying about FEMA, and Bohemian Groves, and other mysterious and scary forces, gives your life MEANING (with capital letters and everything) more power to you.

But, frankly, I would just as well see you finding meaning and solace somewhere else. Getting worked up, upset, agitated, about things clearly outside of your control isn't going to improve your quality of life.

Hey, what can I say, I'm a sheeple that has done quite well in this life. I have a nice home, nice wife, nice kids, nice world, and rarely encounter people I find as unpleasant and unsavory as those you seem so worked up about.

Each to his own, but remember that in the course of your conspiracy thinking you sow the seeds of irrational thought, delusion, and confusion. Just because (A) is true (rich white guys like to party) does not mean that (B) is true (rich white guys want to kill you personally).

John

Yes valid points! As one member has already advised me - be careful not to go too deep and work yourself up with anxiety and get too wrapped up in it or you will go crazy! I mean I know something aint right but I dont think my local shopkeeper is selling me cigarettes as part of a conspiracy to kill me off early or whatever (extreme example I know but you get my drift)

Its also good to hear the view of someone who describes himself as a 'sheeple' and seems quite content with it. Im still quite interested to see how us in the UK fit in as we cant carry guns and would seem an easier populace to overpower and control. Maybe you Americans are seen as more of a threat to any NWO or whatever and their plans start at the top. Its the school playground rule - take down the biggest hardest kid in the park and nobody is gonna mess with you after that - just a thought but again I digress

Thanks

Thank you Unlimited! A very good and well set out series of guidelines You may be sleepy and think that what you say may not be informative but on the contrary - your info is well received and taken on board. Again you have raised points that have been in my mind and these have now been further strengthened

Its so refreshing to have such a great network of like minded people to talk to on such a level I of course will take the time to look at the material you have referenced.

Sleep well and thank you!

Well Im heading home from work for the remainder of the weekend Thanks again for your contributions I shall be back on here on Monday and I will aim to reply to anyone that posts comments on here whilst Im away (damn internet is down at home) Hopefully I'll speak to ya Monday

Have a great weekend
Best wishes to you all!

The first stage in waking up is realising that what you are seeing around you is not real! Your mind is just projecting the image.Try closing down your mind and imagine you're in a wide open space with no material c*** around -you can free yourself of all the brainwashing and the programming that is being fed through to you on a daily basis.Ask yourself "why am I here?"and you will eventually realise that none of the problems we waste hours worrying about count for diddly squat in the big picture .BE HAPPY x

Another step in the wake up process is action, which involves many levels just like waking up. Do you work on your "soul", fix gov't corruption, live a more simple life in tune with nature, build a bomb shelter, stockpile food.... or all of the above.

Action is what it will take to change things. Unless we stop the wars, stop the greed, fix our government and learn to live in harmony with one another, all the knowledge and information in the world will just be data. A truly "awake" person doesn't just read and do nothing, it only makes them educated.

Enjoy your weekend.

The search for truth can only be found within yourself. It can be found within others as you see yourself within them and further in your environment when you see it is apart of your inner self. This quest for me is very spiritual.

But how exactly do you find truth? You can think about it sometimes, but the most important thing to follow in the quest of truth is your heart and instincts. Thinking about it will only get you so far. I think Xavier said it best when he stated, "To stand and consider all possibilities is to drown in a tunneling sea of infinite potentiality." So questioning EVERYTHING will most likely not bring you any sort of conclusion. Clear your mind because often your own thoughts are BS themselvs. Follow you heart and let your senses guide you. Do not judge anything, only experience it. Live in the present and feel the now. Its like a walking meditation. The truth will find its way to you and it is a beautiful thing.

Good morning (or afternoon/evening)
Thanks for your posts over the weekend (hope you had a good one). I obviously havent had chance to have a look at everything thats been recommended to me so far (theres a heck of a lot to get through it seems) and I dont wanna dive in head 1st and overload (ref: Xaviers quote from wisen).

I did try the 'staying in the present' technique that was mentioned and I must say that I definitely had what I can only describe as a flow of adrenaline or a buzz. I was quite surprised how quickly the onset came about and when I purposely started thinking of the past and the future the feeling ebbed away very quickly so I believe this is a useful technique to use - even if you just wanna perk yourself up a bit.

Ok so I have a lot of material to research at the moment I was wondering if anybody knows of any experiments I can undertake - similar to the 'present' technique mentioned by Zippy on page 2? Any mental or spiritual experiments/techniques you could suggest (simple stuff to start with I dont expect to be able to astro-project by Friday if ya get me) would be great!

Once again many thanks for being a part of my journey!

what is it you mean by 'awakened'? Are you talking from a sociological/political viewpoint only? Or a spiritual one also?

from a sociological/religious viewpoint, i take an alernate stand on Zeitgeist, and have even contacted the director over this. Part 1 of Zeitgeist, namely the correlations between christianity & Egyptian mythology, are largely wrong. It only took me 8 hours of researching Egyptian mythology to find this out. (see my comments in Zeitgeist debunked and we don't care topic). So, anything you research, don't take anyone's word for it, check it yourself.

Also, for sure, academic research, reading, etc, is very valid. However, knowledge is usless unless a persona actually applies it. This is especially true in spirituality. Whcih is more my field.

If you're looking to awaken yourself, i can assist, :-) . I teach & mentor folks professionally, in a spiritual capacity. Many things, including various energy therapies. Reiki in particular. Not the usual complemetary therapy approach, but the deep esoteric spiritual aspects. With Reiki, a person expereinces the divine, at will. It was created just over 100 years ago, by a Japanese Buddhist, from a Samurai Clan, after he had a mystical experience.

If you wish, U2U me, and we can go through the process, whereby you can experience your own divine spark. In my humble opinion, this kinda thing greatly makes a difference, :-). There will be no charge, you seem sincere, and i can feel a good energy about you.

Take care in any event,
Wayne

Thank you
I will certainly U2U regarding this. I am hoping to awake in both of the capacities you mentioned. I believe an academic approach as well as a spiritual approach should be adopted in order to get a better view of the World we live in and the Universe in which it exists. I look forward to speaking with you!

Thanks again

first off avoid using words such as "wake up" or "sheeple"

makes you sound like a goth and a wannabe separatist with delusions of grandeur

alternative view points need to be presented in rational and grounded ways so that they seem reasonable and not just some space head psycho-babble

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If you want to live a life which will expand your current way of thinking I suggest that you travel, being in the EU you can go anywhere and work

and if you seek true wisdom, seek it from first hand life experiences, not from the second hand rhetoric of an internet forum

Well I have travelled and I am going away to work this year around Easter time, you would have found this had you cared to ask before jumping straight in. If you read the OP properly you would see that I am far from a goth or separatist and why you think I have got delusions of grandeur is beyond me. The fact that I am seeking advice shows that I dont see myself on a higher plane - in fact I see myself possibly at a lower level.

Also I agree that 1st hand experiences count for a lot but one cannot assume to have a wide range of knowledge just from their own experiences as that is a very narrow minded view. Could you also explain psycho-babble because in all the replies I have received I have seen no evidence of this - only structured rational advice and guidance - nobody has forced any views or will upon me.

Finally why not use terms like 'wake up' and 'sheeple'? They are recognised terms which people on here use and it makes understanding what Im saying easier. This thread is for people to provide guidance and advice to myself and others who may be in a similar position I am not looking for this to become a thread where everyone rubbishes each others opinions. Also if this forum rhetoric is so useless why are you here may I ask.

Thank you

Originally posted by mrvalleyboy
My main question is this - How exactly do I 'wake up'?

Hi

The fact that you are asking how do I wake up most probably means you have started to awaken, otherwise you would not even be thinking about such a question because you'd still be asleep.

My humble advice to you is do nothing. Dont try to waken up faster it doesnt work. Dont try to see further it will only make you blind. All you can do is simply be, smile in wonder at the things you start to see and feel and then just let them pass you by. make a mental note of them but dont seek them again, wait until they call on you.

Dont try to think too much about whats happening to you or how to reacte to it. Dont fear it and dont fight it.

Listen to others but dont become dependant on them to "awaken" you. You alone are the only person that can truely wake yourself up, no one else. This path is different for us all, no two paths are the same. I fell into this trap in my early awakening. I listened to others too much and became trapped on their road to enlightenment not my own. After a time you loose track of your own awakening because it is lost within the views of others. I had a long up hill struggle to rediscover my own path.

Most of all enjoy life, seek out love within your self and surroundings and just simply be.

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