What Was Donald Rumsfeld Doing At A UFO Symposium?, page 3
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reply posted on 9-1-2009 @ 08:14 PM by godless
reply to post by muzzleflash


to answer your question...he exploited poeple who trusted him implicitly. How do you know he's not giving you the same treatment? As a skeptik I would definitely say that this revelation renders his claims to be unreliable. I would not put much stock in the proclamations of such a person.


reply posted on 9-1-2009 @ 08:31 PM by godless
Originally posted by synchro
Perhaps 'ol Rummy has also been sighted at ComiCon and other fanboy conventions also!

Seriously, if this can be verified it would speak volumes. Or, it could be that UFOs are his 'hobby' just like any one else who enjoys learning about the possible truth behind this phenomena. Many have assumed for such a long time that PTB types such as Rummy are in the know. When in truth, many of them may be groping in the dark just like everyone else. Who knows? I'd rather be wrong about that. But, I just can't see how such a huge secret like this could stay hidden for so long without absolute/undeniable proof leaking out given the bumbling nature and history of secret keeping (or lack thereof) by the U.S. government.


This line of thought always amuses me. The government just can't keep a secret. How the hell do you know? There are probably hundreds of thousands of secrets that this government has kept from the general public. If they are successful at keeping something a secret then you would never know, would you? It seems to me that this notion that the government can't keep a secret is entirely and completely false. Most folks will just do as they're told. The honest whistle-blowers are far and few between. To honestly be a whistle-blower requires a level of courage and integrity that few people possess in our modern nation. Recent legislation goes far to punish whistle-blowers, even tho they are providing an invaluable service to their country. Sorry to burst your bubble but state secrets are alive and well and our government is very very capable of keeping the truth from a low-level service drone like you and me.


reply posted on 9-1-2009 @ 10:56 PM by synchro
reply to post by godless


Apparently, that whistle is getting plenty of use these days despite your faith in the government's abilities to keep a lid on things.

It's one thing to keep secrets regarding troop locations, weapons development or even aviation technology that would appear to defy modern physics. It's quite another to keep hidden (if true) visitation by non-terrestrial craft and/or beings. I do concede that many have claimed to 'blow the whistle' on UFOs and aliens yet none have provided overwhelming proof.

Getting back to the topic of Rummey; It's not what he may have said that gave it away, it's what he may have done in this case by attending a UFO conference that could be very revealing. Whether or not he truly is 'in the know' is anyone's guess at this point.

Here's a list of nearly 60 significant whistleblower cases in recent history with links to plenty more.

Wikepedia List Of Whistleblowers:
en.wikipedia.org...

1.2 Million Documents And Counting At WikiLeaks.org
wikileaks.org...:About

Hundreds of thousands of secrets you say? Well, it's a start...



This line of thought always amuses me. The government just can't keep a secret. How the hell do you know? There are probably hundreds of thousands of secrets that this government has kept from the general public. If they are successful at keeping something a secret then you would never know, would you? It seems to me that this notion that the government can't keep a secret is entirely and completely false. Most folks will just do as they're told. The honest whistle-blowers are far and few between. To honestly be a whistle-blower requires a level of courage and integrity that few people possess in our modern nation. Recent legislation goes far to punish whistle-blowers, even tho they are providing an invaluable service to their country. Sorry to burst your bubble but state secrets are alive and well and our government is very very capable of keeping the truth from a low-level service drone like you and me.



reply posted on 10-1-2009 @ 02:04 AM by mikesingh
reply to post by SaviorComplex

Ok! I think the only way is to try and get some corroboration on what he contends is the outline organization of the secret shadow government, especially the Intelligence Dept. But that's easier said that done in spite of the locations of various organizations he has categorically mentioned.

Like Hangar 18 at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base which allegedly houses evidence from the Roswell UFO incident. But this is difficult to verify though 'insiders' have supposedly seen crashed UFOs inside.

In other words corroboration is almost impossible, seeing the very high secrecy and water tight security arrangements around such areas. And therefore one can rely only on speculation at this juncture.


reply posted on 10-1-2009 @ 08:40 AM by SaviorComplex
Originally posted by mikesingh
Dr Carl Sagan wasn't a skeptic by any stretch of imagination. He had an open mind. Have a look at what he said at that conference:


Being a skeptic and having an open-mind are not two mutually-exclusive concepts, Mike. You are also confusing an interest with a belief. Yes, Dr. Sagan was a skeptic, but he did have some interest in the phenomenon and did believe it worth of study.

Sagan "wrote frequently on what he perceived as the logical and empirical fallacies regarding UFOs and the abduction experience. Sagan rejected an extraterrestrial explanation for the phenomenon but felt there were both empirical and pedagogical benefits for examining UFO reports and that the subject was, therefore, a legitimate topic of study."


Westrum writes that "Sagan spent very little time researching UFOs ... he thought that little evidence existed to show that the UFO phenomenon represented alien spacecraft and that the motivation for interpreting UFO observations as spacecraft was emotional".


Jerome Clark writes that Sagan's perspective on UFOs irked Condon: "... though a skeptic, [Sagan] was too soft on UFOs for Condon's taste. In 1971, [Condon] considered blackballing Sagan from the prestigious Cosmos Club".


In one of his last written works, Sagan argued that the chances of extraterrestrial spacecraft visiting Earth are vanishingly small. However, Sagan did think it plausible that Cold War concerns contributed to governments misleading their citizens about UFOs...


SOURCE


reply posted on 10-1-2009 @ 10:08 AM by antar
reply to post by mikesingh


There is a relationship between sex and power. Powerful men, world leaders and important politicians, are prone to exercise their power in other arenas– such as in their sexual relationships. Furthermore, many politicians have a pathological need for constant ego gratification and to “press the flesh”. Thus, it should not be surprising that some American Presidents have had affairs. Which of these alleged mistresses (or “mister”) would you be or be intimate with? We have selected a number well-documented Presidential sexual liaisons.


www.selectsmart.com...

Visit this page to take the test and see which US President you would have been best suited to become their mistress, sorry guys Sarah Palin is not on the list yet.

My most likely would be JFK and Angie Dickinson, next marilyn least William Rufus Devane King and James Buchannon... who?

BTW once the results come up just skip all of the questionare stuff and go straight to the answer.

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