What Was Donald Rumsfeld Doing At A UFO Symposium?

Slightly off topic,but that quote in the first post,I have on vinyl. (Getafix records) Didn't know it was Bumsfeld.

It doesn't supprise me one little bit that there are "high ranking" ..."officials" at these meetings. They're all in on it up to thier 1960s sideburns,and even if they weren't,they'd sure be interested in what top secret aircraft had been spotted.

Because character is everything in this case. This is not a minor quibble or fib. He violated the trust of his patients (and if not then, then afterwards). If he is going to manipulate and violate people under his care, how will he behave towards towards people he has no responsibility for?

What exactly do you mean "read what he says with an open-mind?"

If you will notice, before I talked about the man's trustworthiness, I discussed his claims (specific to what Mike posted). It was nothing but speculation.

Here are some other claims made by Boylan...Richard Boylan: There's An Astronaut on that Falling Satellite



then later...

SOURCE

Also...

Richard Boylan Warns of Nov. 15 Asteroid Strike

Yeah Id say that about sums it up
second line here

reply to post by Phage

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Just as an ATS-technique aside, your link was:

http://web.archive.org/web/20060616035520/http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/1996/nov/m03-001.shtml


It's the second "http://" section that freaks out the ATS link parser. But, with archive.org, you don't really need that in the URL. So, you can make your link:

http://web.archive.org/web/20060616035520/www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/1996/nov/m03-001.shtml


And it comes up as:

web.archive.org...


Which works all nice with ATS. Carry on.

And you are absolutely 100% positive that what he is saying is false?

reply to post by mikesingh

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Ok...I want to believe - BUT - I have some logical problems with all of the conspiracies and cover-ups:

1) How has the US government and others convinced or have been convinced to keep their mouths shut?

2) Why are the aliens cooperating with obviously selfish and corrupt human institutions?
-if we assume they are benevolent, why don't they make themselves known to help ease human misery
-if they are hostile, obviously they would have superior technology and could obliterate our whole planet - or at least, end all life

how does screwing your patients make your comments on UFOs false??

care to help me understand that?

or are you saying that to be credible, a person cannot ever make a mistake in their whole life??

because I know everyone makes mistakes (everyone) and so how can i consider you points credible when i know for a fact you have made mistakes also ??

reply to post by muzzleflash

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Although I and SaviorComplex almost never agree on anything, I think he answers your question about Boylan excellently and I'll quote him:



Exactly SC How can you trust a word this guy has to say after what he did?

reply to post by muzzleflash

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"Oops, what are you doing in my hot tub? And, hey, why aren't you wearing any clothes?"

He doesn't seem to admit to his "mistake". Instead blaming on a conspiracy to silence him. Sounds familiar doesn't it?

Tell me, how much do you believe what our soon to be ex-president says? Do you forgive him his "mistakes"?

From the OP:



I think we know truth and we know nothing will be done.

I can't think of a better waste of time than for Rummy that to stick
his ugly neck in the UFO phenomenon.

Hope he meets the Alien King like Eisenhower, although I still think
it was Hitler. In which case, meet the reigning Hitler.

Read about what he was accused of, Muzzleflash. He told the patients he abused they were alien abductees, and used that to manipulate them. Seeing as how he has used the UFO phenomenon to his own unethical ends before, how can one ever be sure he isn't doing it again?

Considering no giant asteroid hit the North Atlantic on November 15th, I would have to say that part, yes 100% that was false.

As to the supposed alien hybrid in the satellite...it would be intellectually-dishonest of me to say there isn't a possibility. However, considering several factors such as Boylan's past unethical behaviors involving the UFO phenomenon and the fact the only source for this information is him (via channelled information available only to him), I am comfortable with saying it is a very minute possibility, so infinitesimal as to not be worthy of consideration.

But, I would be happy to see evidence to the contrary.

In the official transcript of Boylan's hearing where he was disbarred from practicing psychotherapy in CA Boylan tacitly admits unprofessional behavior (nude massage as trade w. his patient, asking one to share a bed w. him in Vegas, etc.) when he says he won't do it again. Why he didn't do that kind of thing with a date, instead of a patient, we have to wonder. Boylan knew the professional standard---he blew it.

In the story on this thread we should outline a timeline that puts it into perspective. Boylan's earlier reports and investigations up until about 2002 were compelling and worth reading. Then he relied more on an objective, critical viewpoint in his writing, but more recently his reports tend toward an inflated sense of himself (Councilor of Earth, a Sasquatch race living underground, mental exercises in which Boylan and his cohort defeat cabal weapons systems by using mental energy, etc.). So, although Boylan made bad errors (a misplaced sexual context w. patients, for a time), he was subsequently elected head of the association of close encounter therapists. I, for one, don't throw out all of the reports of a sometimes faulty source based on one or a late series of errors. In truth, we could look at any of history's sources and find very bad moments in their lives: Einstein ditched a wife and daughter to marry a cousin, for example. Boylan is no Einstein, but his reports by Michael Wolf (externally corroborated--Paola Harris says she saw a signed thank-you picture from Bill Clinton in Wolf's house), Lt. Col. Steven Wilson, and a number of others may be important milestones in actual, official disclosure.

Rumsfeld's presence in a symposium in '68 was just three years before the 1971 date that Lt. Col. Steven Wilson said was the year when US labs first successfully engineered electrogravity flight, i.e. of a downed or reverse-engineered saucer. Boylan also compiled interesting lists of black budget craft and manufacturers of anti-gravity flight technology. The challenge, of course, is to be able to discern whether there's any disinformation, as is typically inserted into such sources, to offset or discredit the accounts in the eyes of skeptical all-or-nothing readers. From an all-or-nothing perspective, most info about aliens is no good because it contains at least a scrap of disinfo.

And if Rumsfeld pointed a finger at Hynek and cut him off, it's what you'd expect of a corrupt, self-enriching money grubber like Rumsfeld. The external rationale for not letting men like Hynek know about alien tech is program secrecy and supposed possible use of scalar tech info for weapons. The real inside reason(s) for cutting off honest investigators and most Democrats, honest Republicans etc. is to hide the extreme corruption and, on another level, to allow the monster to grow in our midst.

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reply to post by mikesingh

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Sounded like Rummy likes JAH and was in a sense protecting him, at least from the portion that Rum knows about and is privy to.

But have you considered that there may be more than one single alien agenda at foot?

Perhaps the back room deals made so long ago were concerted to not only make side deals with the aliens that the world leaders and governments are in contact with, but also another set altogether which they do not know about, but others may? People outside the Political/Military/Religious complex?

Now, back to the thread, thanks mikesing, as always you have my attention.

reply to post by muzzleflash

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Mistakes? I think that manipulating female patiients into having sex with him goes a little further than a mistake, dont you?Heres a copy of the charges.
web.archive.org...

Was wondering exactly what Rumsfeld might have been doing back then, ...

Donald Rumsfeld


The Government Operations Committee is a powerful committee to be on.

Government Operations Committee


Rumsfeld is a "alumni" of this committee.



Being he was on the Committee on Science and Aeronautics back then, I would think he would have had an interest in UFO's back then.

His position on the Subcommittees on Military and Foreign Operations would probably have meant that, if the military ever did have contact with or found anything "alien", he most likely would have heard about it.

And his position in the Government Operations Committee would have enabled him to poke around in places where most other people couldn't.

So, I would think he very well could have been somebody "in the know" back then. (if there IS anything to know)

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Hi Mike good thread as always,

I few years back I did a lot of reading and in time I put together some interesting connections.

In short Grandpop B and the Rockerfellers were buds and had NAZI connections.

Time passage

George Sr., FBI then Pres. Rumsfeld, Cheney buds. Daddy knows all about Aliens and the ships no doubt and so do the Elitist and they use it to there advantage also no doubt.

Then we get to Georgie oh well, you know how he is.........

Rummy of course would be interested in ufo's imagine the technology especially the weapon technology if they could get that and figure it out. Now that would be bigger then oil,

reply to post by converge

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Wow, someone here who remembers this besides me. How is it that this quote is even being connected in any way with UFOs?? It has nothing to do with them. This is a good example of one of the methods used by the mass media propaganda machine when they want to smear someone they don't like. Is that what is going on here? Is this the UFO/conspiracy cash cow trying to stimulate membership and sales by inventing some bull# connection between Rumsfeld and UFOs?? I'm not saying he doesn't know anything, I'm saying that you should get your facts straight. People, please realize that a lot of hucksters make a lot of money peddling this kind of sensational drivel, and it is almost impossible to distinguish BS from truth anymore. I'd say unless you are in the know, it might even be totally impossible. I have actually seen a craft up close, during the day, and I believe about .5% of everything I read about UFOs anymore. Having said all that, I dare the screeners to post this.

Very nicely put together, this is why i love ATS!

I honestly have no idea how to comment on this though, its obvious the man has more information that the rest of us regarding the phenomena and is most likely very interested in it. Simple as that i believe. If UFO's were just a psychological phenomena i doubt Mr. Rumsfeld would attend a conference.