UN: 257 Palestinian children killed in Gaza

You do realize by those definitions Hamas and Hezbollah are guilty of genocide?

reply to post by MikeboydUS

---

Since Hamas was created by Israel then I would have to charge Israel twice with genocide.

[edit on 9-1-2009 by Alpha_Magnum]

reply to post by Alpha_Magnum

---

That is misdirection.

Hamas is guilty of genocide as defined by the UN.

If they were before the Hague that excuse would not fly.

Humans and Hamas have free will and Hamas committed acts defined as genocide by the UN. There is simply no escaping it.

reply to post by MikeboydUS

---

genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, ...

It is a good point.

The intent is certainly there with Hamas and Hizzbollah , but would you also need the means to carry it out.

It surely must be more than intent.

reply to post by UmbraSumus

---

They have the intent and meet the a, b, and c specifications of the description.
The UN definition only requires one specification be met to define it as genocide.

No, it is not misdirection. It is reality. The Israelis and the USA created Hamas. Israel supplied weapons to Iran so they could have Hezbollah time the release of the hostages with Ronald Regan's arrival to the White House.

The USA and Israel and mainly the USA is the cause and the solution to EVERYTHING in the Mideast!


[edit on 9-1-2009 by Alpha_Magnum]

its not only that the usa needs to stop protecting israel we also need to stop giving them these bombs,guns,nukes,and robots but i believe the side with the rocks will overall win this battle for which israel has no business starving their own brothers and sisters then killing the children when palestinians attack because they are tired of feeling hunger/seeing the sick and injured die.. israel needs to know that the mountains produce lava like your mouth produces saliva, the experiments on high explosions, which is all caused by the son of man. this wisdom gos deeper than your scuba diver, this wisdom will also clear a mans vision

reply to post by Pyros

---

Just because Darfur is getting less media attention, doesn't make it any more of a genocide than what's happening in Gaza.

If you mean what I think you mean, that what's happening in Gaza is not true genocide somehow, because if the Muslims packed their bags and moved to America, the Jews would not hunt them down and kill them. Well think on this, if the people of Darfur got on a plane and hopped to Europe, I really doubt the Gangaweed would follow them there either.

It is still genocide if it's intentional, you cannot accidentally wipe out an entire people with stray bullets and bombs. Gangaweed cares little about public perception and covering up what it's doing, therefore it is genocide? unlike the Israeli government, who uses everything they have to portray them in a positive light, because they can afford to, and because for some reasons I can't fathom nobody dares piss them off, it doesn't even matter when their story is totally shaky.

Also the focus isn't on Darfur because the MSM and TPTB don't want it to be. Plenty of us are shocked at the callous way the developed world is ignoring the entire situation, and continuing to pour money into conflicts which aren't helping anyone like Iraq and Afghanistan. But because we don't each post a thread about Darfur we're not somehow not allowed an opinion about Gaza.

Please don't hold us to such high standards. Really we are just discussing current events. We have short attention spans and we're a bunch of news hounds, that's all.


[edit on 9-1-2009 by Lazyninja]

I think the bold text area above actually sums up everything on this forum having to do with this ongoing war. Since the Palestinians are unable to leave Gaza due to the reality that the Israelis have converted it into a concentration camp and also the Israelis are literally hunting them down and killing them in that very concentration camp you have completed proof that it is indeed a genocide!

Please note that the article says, "as many as 257 children have been killed" this is what we call a SWAG (Some Wild Assed Guess) number. I could just as easily say, "as many as 10 million martians were killed", it doesn't mean anything. The use of weasel words in a news article is not ethical reporting.

reply to post by Alpha_Magnum

---

Yet, the Palestinians continue to launch rockets at Israel. Somehow it is OK to kill Israeli civilians? What is the saying, "Don't start nothin', won't be nothin'".

First, that counters Mike Singhs accusation that the Hamas is committing genocide. Five dead people from firework-powered bombs hardly fill the last Cesna I flew on, let alone a commercial airliner.

Second, that counters claims that the Nazis committed genocide against the Jews, as they killed people from many different religions, not only Judaeism.

FALSE::

According to the Israelis HAMAS (a creation of Israel) continue to launch rockets at Israel

According to the Israel they are not at war with Palestinians but in fact at war with Hamas (a group that Israel created and funded)

Prime Minister Ehud Olmert Said:


[edit on 10-1-2009 by Alpha_Magnum]

Why all the discussion of semantics?

holocaust
genocide
slaughter
mass murder

Cal lit what you want.

Vulnerable people, who can not escape, are being systematically exterminated by a more powerful organized force.

OUR TAX MONEY PAYS FOR THE WEAPONS THAT KILL THESE CHILDREN.

Do you have a source for that information because I cannot find information pertaining to such events that suggest your below scenario lead to the foundation of Hamas. History of Hamas.



So are you justifying what Hamas is doing?
Below ... is an example of what Hamas have been doing.


Source

And they seemed to up their game in the early 2000's:


Source

And yet you come across as if you justify such actions?

I certainly do not justify what you allegedly claim led to the foundation of such a terrorist organisation but I would hope you would agree that that still does not justify the allowance to cause mass murder.
I will research the formation of Hamas a little further but your source would be a great starting point



[edit on 11-1-2009 by george_gaz]

reply to post by george_gaz

---

Prime Minister Ehud Olmert Said::



Let the buggery begin!

But Hamas was set up by the CIA, Hamas does exactly what Israel wants
them to do. How can you expect the Palestine people to fight Hamas while
being bombed into smithereens by Israel?

Isn't it glaringly obvious to anyone with half a brain, that the only reason
Hamas exists, was created, is to offer Israel an excuse to destroy the
palestine people? The people of Gaza have absolutely no operational ties
with Hamas.. it's a terrible construct created to trick public opinion into
watching the war without acting, even supporting the war, although I can
not imagine any person with a heart to support what Israel is doing.

If palestinians had ANY control over Hamas, they would have ceased
launching those newyear firecrackers at Israel backyards, many years ago.

[edit on (11/1/09) by Wehali]

reply to post by Alpha_Magnum

---

O ... K I am not quite sure what, if anything, that is attempting to prove other than that Netanyahu released Yassin, which it seems was in return for two captured Mossad agents in Jordan.

It says:


Yet you have only posted one side of the story what did Netanyahu use to blame Olmert for the rise of Hamas?

PS ... I am not into buggery, but I guess I shouldn't knock it until I have tried it

The part you deliberately left out...

Prime Minister Ehud Olmert Said::