I have read all the posts with interest. I too wonder why people deny the holocaust exist and I also wonder why countries supposedly ban discussion or research into the topic.

A previous poster stated that Germany or Poland refuse to let researches examine the holocaust, that didn't seem to pick up any further debate, but i'd be interested to hear peoples thoughts on this?

After careful examination of the posts and links, I think I'd have to describe myself as a 'Holocaust Questionner'. I don't believe that the gas chambers were faked as part of a propoganda campaign but I do believe that significantly less Jews than 6 million were killed, I would estimate that possibly less than the number of Poles, but I do believe that the Nazis did hate the Jewish faith, as have other civilizations, for whatever reason I do not know.

I find myself comparing the prison camps with Guantanamo Bay. A particular race being targeted and then imprisoned without charge? That is a little off topic, but certainly shows how as a race we've barely improved with human rights.

I think posters on both sides of the argument could be forgiven for letting emotions run a little high, it is an emotive subject. But at least some very interesting debate surfaced from it.

When I asked my dad why people believe, or try to prove, that less than 6 million died in the Holocaust, he said the following:
- It allows them to be anti-semitic without being outright.
- It makes them feel better about what happened.
- It allows the to validate the deaths of people that they may have supported.

I don't know if I agree with him, but he makes interesting points. Questioning some parts of the Holocaust can be a milder way of saying that people hate those who died.

Originally posted by ravenshadow13
Questioning some parts of the Holocaust can be a milder way of saying that people hate those who died.

With all due respect , there is nothing wrong with research , those involved in serious historical research can not be said to be motivated by hate for those who died.

I don`t think the horror of the holocaust would be any lessened in my mind if some of the figures were less.

I think the holocaust didn't happen as we've been told.

As I previously stated on another thread regarding this matter, history is written by the victors. And specially if you look at the victors and what they got from nazi germany, in politics, science, research, etc, I dont believe in those "victors" for one second.

One person killed by the "holocaust" and the reasons behind it is bad enough... but the 6 million figure is just ridiculous.

Besides you keep talking about an entire regime when concentration camps like Auschwitz or Dachau had their own rules and rulers. They were like small ecosystems inside a bigger system so those who controlled each concentration camp had full authority to do what they please, and you know the saying "absolute power corrupts absolutely" and if you put a psycho in charge with a "carte blanche" to do whatever he pleases, sure you going to get some awful results. And some where psychos did what their crazy minds told em to...

So this is my opinion... and what are you all pro-zionist and pro-holocaust and anti-holocaust deniers do about it? Nothing... its my opinion and I'm entitled to it

For the one guy who said he dreams about meeting a holocaust denier after a few beers in a dark alley, well remember... I am pro-peace any day, but as Machiavelli said, I am too prepared to do evil if the need arises.

Actually, they did have photoshop opportunities, but it was a tad bit different then what we have today.

There's a famous photographer who made Hitler stand behind a living world holding it up. The photo of the Russian on top of the Reichstag(sp?) is also a documented fake.

So the posibilities were there to alter a photo during WWII.

Originally posted by MilitieTempliSalmo
For the one guy who said he dreams about meeting a holocaust denier after a few beers in a dark alley, well remember... I am pro-peace any day, but as Machiavelli said, I am too prepared to do evil if the need arises.

That would be me.

I am extremely peaceful in nature and i am not violent.
BUT.... for somebody to out-right deny that a holocaust happened is sick.
Questioning numbers, seeking accurate figures and so on is one thing, but actually denying it or saying things like "the jews always cry holocaust" would be the kind of thing I'm talking about.

And believe me... i probably wouldn't need the beers....

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
I've listened to someone that was in the holocaust.. I can assure you it happened from the very vivid picture he left us with, he told us all sorts of things you'll never learn in a text book..

Indeed it did. My father was a medic in WWII, and I have the pictures he took.

I'm leaving this thread because I have told my story and have nothing left to say. Clearly I cannot persuade anymore. Even if you don't think you sound racist, I am a minority on here, and I am offended by some of the things that have been said.

I give up. I'll stick to the forums that have nothing to do with Jewish people, since in every case there are people talking about the EVIL ZIONISTS and how horrible they are.

I give up.