Originally posted by Kr0n0s

If the US passed a law that made it illegal to question the 9/11 commissions official ruling and also made it a crime to say, i believe that 1900 people died, instead of the official 2990, people would be literally up in arms.
To me, there should be no difference, whether its questioning 9/11 or questioning Nazi Atrocities during WW2, its our right to ask questions, its our right to be skeptical.
When they try to FORCE a person to have a certain opinion, theyre just complicating the issue even more.





[edit on 1/9/2009 by Kr0n0s]

...What you're doing with the Holocaust is like saying that a plane didn't crash on 9/11 anywhere and that the people who called on their cell phones from the planes are complete liars.

Good.

I have a question. If the Germans were out to destroy alll Jews, and they were sent to camps for that purpose, why were there survivors? I'm not taking any side here, just a curious question for either side to answer.

I did NOT say you denied that the Holocaust. It is you who misinterpreted me.
Read slower.

I understand that you do challenge the number of people and severity of the occurrences of the Holocaust. I know that you don't deny that it happened.

Show me where I said that you denied it happened.
This is a thread that addresses non-believers. Not every single post is directed at you. Many of my thoughts were not even directed at people who have posted here.

Relax.

Originally posted by ByTor420
I have a question. If the Germans were out to destroy alll Jews, and they were sent to camps for that purpose, why were there survivors? I'm not taking any side here, just a curious question for either side to answer.

Many were used for slave labor, because they could do work for the Nazis. Also, after many countries caught on, the liberations happened very quickly. Many of the camps attempted to exterminate everybody but some troops got to places like Bergen-Belsen beforehand.

Also, many were able to hide successfully or left the countries involved before the regime really took hold and ghettos were set up.

your pissed because i didnt read your post?
sorrrrryee, i didnt realize that reading your post was a pre-requisite to post in this thread.
Quit being so selfish.

Also, my grammar is fine and my credibility is fine, keep looking though.

[edit on 1/9/2009 by Kr0n0s]

I'm not pissed, I'm very calm. I think that you would have thought to read it based off of the comments coming from people who did. How can you post credibly in a thread that you haven't read? But whatever.

I could edit this very post, capitalize and punctuate, but honestly I do that for my own.

[edit on 1/9/2009 by ravenshadow13]

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New Day, New Reminder.

Do Not Speak To The Poster. Speak To The Topic.

Thank You.

I am not a Jew or pro Israeli but I know well that it did happened. the are some difficulties with counting the real number of victims and according to the found infrustructure it looks that the official numbers can be wrong.

especially the numbers given by the Jewish Holocausc Organizations are most probably too big. look - "Holocaust bussiness" writen by the jewsih author Mr Finkelstein.

but the truth is that it was nearly 5 mln Poles, 3 mln Jews (I belive) and around 2 mln other nations killed so.

I've been working in the Reconciliation Foundation, which was responsible for the german's compesation payments for the holocaust survivours and I had a contact to the jewish organizations from Europe dealing with the issue. they were complaining that all the previously paid money by the Germany never were paid to victims. they were all stolen by the american jewish organizations, who were making the numbers of the victims as high as possible.

but the true is that Holocaust did happened!!!! and another true is that during this over 50% of jewish population in central europe was killed. still I think more Poles died (5 mln in camps and another 1,5 in fights against Germans (200 000 alone in the Warsaw Uprise)) but the it was only 15% of the population.

NM

[edit on 9/1/09 by blupblup]

Originally posted by ravenshadow13

Originally posted by Nammu
Can anyone find a thread on ATS where someone has actually denied the holocaust? Like, where they say 'it never happened'? I'm struggling to find an example of this on the board.

Not saying it hasn't happened. I just can't see where it has and we're talking a lot about 'holocaust deniers' here.

There are a number of members denying the motives behind it, the number of people killed, and severity.

That is bad enough

But these people aren't 'holocaust deniers'. I stick by my earlier statement that a new label should be created called 'holocaust questioner'. That fits the bill much better. I see a lot of talk on this thread directed at 'holocaust deniers' and have only been given one example of one person that said this on ATS and no one denying it on this thread. Just suggesting that if labels are getting thrown about then might as well use on that fits the bill.