the Holocaust did NOT happen

There are few Youtube videos of Hamas smuggling in vast quantities of missiles with the purpose of shelling Israel non-stop. Thousands rained on Israel, murdering adults and children places like schools and homes. Israel negotiated a settlement in which there was relative calm.

Immediately after Hamas started shelling Israel again. The Hamas declared goal, in their charter, is the destruction of the State of Israel and it's people.

After a dozen warnings, Israel went in with their planes to destroy weapons caches and tunnels trying to stop it. At any point, Hamas could have prevented it continuing simply by ceasing to shell Israel. They wouldn't.

Hamas refuses to wear military uniforms, hides among the civilian population in schools and civic centres inviting the deaths of Gazan women and children. The cynical leadership, hiding in the basement of hospitals, has learned the more civilian deaths there are, the more foreign money flows into their administration. A sick economy based on have their own people killed.

Israel retaliated to prevent an escalation of a war as Hamas refused to simply turn off the shelling. Hamas desisted finally after thousands of their missiles were destroyed and leaders were killed. But they still make every effort to murder as many people in Israel with missiles and other means, as they can.

Few if any video exist of suicide bombings at civilian gatherings in Israel.

Hamas has it's own state, but refuses a peaceful co-existence that has been offered to them for years.

They always have had the ability to prevent death and destruction of the people in Gaza. They consistently choose otherwise.


Mike


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[edit on 14-5-2009 by mmiichael]

This is total lies. The Palestinians have no weapons, only the kind of things a kid might make in their back yard, made of sugar. They have literally rocks and bottles to fight against the most high tech weapons the world posseses. Israel even used bunker busters, buried men, women and children alive in the tunnels they were shivering and quaking in fear in trying to avoid the shock and awe rained on them by the Jews.

Israel, a nation of monsters whose flag symbol is the hexogram straight from the Rothschilds, the most powerful satanic symbol, a people who hate Jesus, whose Talmud refers to Jesus as "may his name be forever blotted out," who claim Jesus was a scoundrel, that Mary was a whore, and that they, the Jews, are super-gods, super-men, and all the rest of us "goyim" are subhumans, cattle, worthy of death.

Monsters, murderers, who have infiltrated the American government top to bottom, whose Mossad agent Rahm Emanuel runs Obama like a clock, who even cracks his knuckles in Obama's face in front of high ranking members of Congress and cabinet officials after Obama asks him to please stop cracking them -- to let everybody know who is REALLY in charge.

Your lies are so evil, castigating the poor families who have already had their homes stolen, their children raped and murdered and tortured, who have been shock and awed, defenseless families.

You need to repent. You need to turn away from your occult books, stop declaring war on God and God's people, and stop spitting in God's face, thinking that you are so "special" that you deserve to own the world and destroy everybody who doesn't think like you.

Fer sure dear Paddy me mate.

Transparent plants are luminous.

reply to post by sensfan

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YES IT HAPPENED. AND THAT country was Germany. But German people should NOT BE be ashamed.

It was not to do with the German people.

It was about Hitler, who was totally insane. Also, he was not even from Germany. He was from Austria.

You are obviously correct about Lenin and Auschwitz. This is the second time Texe Marrs has steered me wrong. Don't blame Rense. I should have figured this out myself. You got me good on this one, but I'm glad I found out the truth now rather than later.

You might want to check real information sources. Billions from all over the world have been given to the Palestinians. Despite efforts at reconciliation, they wage an unabated guerilla style war with Israel, wantonly killing and kidnapping at every opportunity.

Iran particularly, has trained militants and supplied Hezbollah in Lebanon, and Hamas in Gaza, with tens of thousands of medium and long range missiles, rockets, and other weapons, mostly through an elaborates system of secret tunnels.

You might want to check here:

www.weaponsurvey.com...

Israel made a counterattack on Gaza, when Hamas refused to stop sending their missiles at civilian targets. Thousands of weapon caches and smuggling tunnels were destroyed in the provoked incursion. There are enough rockets, missiles, and rockets, if ever allowed to reach Israeli population centres, to kill hundreds of thousands, maybe millions.

Attempts by Israeli forces were made to avoid civilian casualties which Hamas encourages, realizing the more innocents die in their declared war, the more funding they receive.

The Palestinians' worst enemy turns out to be the leadership they have chosen who profit from their deaths.


Mike


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Yeh,yeh. So, "Lenin a Jew" person - where are Polish Jews? According to 1931 Polish (or Pilsudsky was also a Jew?) census - there were 3.1 million Jews. 10 percent of population. And please note - country lived normally, with those talmudical satanic Jews as 10 percent of population. Until Aryan Hitler and Georgian (married to Jew - wow this is a proof, by the way, he was married several times and not to Jew) decided to make things better for Poles, who undoutebly suffered under Jewish tyranny.
Why after the war (and now) there are no 10 percent Jews in Poland? What happened, salt of earth?
Simple mathematical question - suppose there was no natural growth and in 1939 there were still 3.1 million Jews. Suppose half of them were annexed by USSR in 1939. so 1.5 million Jews remained in Nazi-controlled Poland. Why after WW2 there were no such number? You seem to know hidden biographies of everyone and pierce deep secrets of Talmudic Jews. Share your wisdom on this tiny matter with me, please. Adding where are French, Greek, Hungary, Dutch, and the rest of Europe's Jews would be a bonus.

Thanks for informing us.

No news for us on ATS that Mossad runs the US.

News that ATS itself is controlled too.

Also news, Judaism being the preferred religion of the world, and it's teaching of hatred for Christians is news.

I hope for his sake Jesus' final fate isn't true.


If you actually believe all this - Heaven help you.


M



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I gotta say, Salt, you meet my every expectation for a Christian.

The religions battle each other because they're all The Word Of God. And heaven help the poor shmucks in the middle.

I can't wait to go to hell.

So excited. You know why? If you are right, Salt, you'll be up in heaven, right?

Not with me.

So I hope you're right.

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OK let's get real. Palestinians don't have to get killed. they just have to stop smuggling in missiles and sending them at Israel. They don't.

The Israelis don't want a full scale war. They send in planes and troops to destroy tunnels and weapons caches. The try to eliminate Hamas leaders without harming civilians. But Hamas likes to hide among civilians and have as many killed as possible. It means hundreds of millions of dollars ($$$) sent to them by the West. It's a business for them. They chosse not to have an economy other than permanent war.

Israel hopes the unwanted 1000 civilians dead from their counterattack provoked by Hamas will mean there won't be a bigger war in Gaza in which tens of thousands are killed.

The Gazans were given an opportunity to live in peace on their own territory. They have responded with incessant shelling of Israel. This is war.

Israel does whatever it can to stop them. Hopefully the unfortunate war Iran pushed Hamas into having with Israel a few months ago will prevent something worse in the future. Everyone hopes so, except Hamas which is supplied by weapons from Iran and endless funding from the West.

The Palestinians can have peace, they can stop the bloodshed and unnecessary deaths. They've chosen a prolonged form of economic, cultural, and personal suicide.

If you don't want to see them die speak to them, or Hamas, or Iran.






[edit on 17-5-2009 by mmiichael]

The Holocaust.. To be honest, I don't know for sure whether the Holocaust has happened. Though I do not mean to insult anyone with this post, sorry if I did, I know this is a hard subject to talk about.

I first want to say: simply denying the Holocaust is just provoking. Just as, in my opinion, to be absolutely sure is just following the masses.

-Why is it that people are so busy with solely the Holocaust? If you look at what Japan did to the Chinese, that should be spoken about just as much, if not more, but most people talking about the Holocaust wouldn't know what happened there. Or, the allegedly Armenian Holocaust.

If it happened, doesn't it make it way more painful for the victims by keeping them reminded it has happened?

Let's compare this to individual lives:
A true hero doesn't need admiration for what he's done for others, just as a true victim doesn't need to tell everyone about what happened, nor does he want compassion from everyone. He (or she) might have gone through painful things, why would he want to remind himself of this continually?

Now this makes me wonder why the government (and the survivors) keep bringing this up. Isn't the purpose of feeling sorry or guilty to not forget, but to go on with our lives with knowing something like that should never be able to happen again? I think, the way to manipulate people in such a way that they won't see when it happens again, is to keep them emotionally involved. This is why I think it might be something that is exagurated.

And why is it illegal to deny the Holocaust? I'm sorry, but any subject should be able to be discussed, although on a rational way. Making it illegal is a violation to free-speech.

I haven't brought any facts about what has or has not happened, this are just some things that made me think about the possibility of the Holocaust being exagurated, or possibly fake.

I would think in China it is spoken about more, also in Japan.



As far as I can see, it's the deniers that keep bringing it up. There's very few threads on sites like these that start 'the holocaust did happen' or similar. Maybe if deniers could start denying the Armenian genocide, Stalin's mass murders, Pol Pot's killings etc. there would be more coverage of these events too.



Yeah, i'm with you on this one. If I go to Austria and claim the moon doesn't exist, they'd say i was mad. If I said the Norman Invasion never happened they'd say I was stupid. But if I say the Holocaust never happened I'm a criminal? Makes no sense.

There's more evidence for the Holocaust than for the Norman Invasion of 1066. Denial shouldn't be a crime it should be seen for what it is, ignorance of history or willful refusal to face the truth.

Oh well, don't feel like getting in such an argument right now, since I know neither believing or denying could be proved. I'll just leave the believers to be believers and the deniars to be the deniars.

Have a nice day!