Haha thank you.
No it is indeed a planet, very small. Do your research up on it. Im serious.
They say we can't see it now due to chemtrails, Hence why there is very little photographic evidence. Nasa even admits it and calls it by some "e" name, I don't quite remember.

I dont want to come across as harsh and dismissive, but i want to debunk the idea of us being able to know the entire truth of my/our existence.
Im not religious and i have strong views against the effects of our world's oh so precious religions. The very fact that there are so many religions will serve to strengthen my point - what do we humans know anyway?.
If every1 thinks they are right then who do we pick eh? choose to be an ultimate free thinker and devise a new explanation for what we experience as life? Religion infers the presence of a god but replace god with 'collective minds' or whatever you reffered to and, boom baby, you have just another religion.
Its not a personal digg at u Spider but i just think you shoot yourelf in the foot a little subscribing so wholey to something, whilst never uttering the possibility of truth being beyond you or any of us. If we are infact headed to a higher plane, a suggestion that im not closed to, then what makes you think we are even capable of comprehending and depicting it in our lifetimes?
Its fun and healthy to wonder, however truth is unattainable without perspective, we live and we die. Outside that we cant say much we can only watch and as you say make choices. Why argue with these people about things you have said being right or wrong, some religious, some not. All we have is opinions and our choices. We most certainly do not have an answer or hope to ever reach one.
thanks, Scottish person

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A very well thought out thread about 2012 and the lie that is referring to the messiah.

Star and Flag!

Very interesting post Star and flag

Just a side thought to this - If we need to be in a 'positive' state of mind to achieve this next level, could it be possible that a lot of the scaremongering that goes on is designed to lull us into a negative state of mind in our collective consciousness by TPTB to keep us from 'ascending' and thus negating any power and influence they have over us. Is that a fair possibilty or am I barking up the wrong tree?

Thanks

I wonder if this could have been predicted a few years ago or has this info just been searched on the net and compiled into one thread....

I personally believe something will happen leading to 2012 but maybe it will be staged and whatever happens, it will be good time to pull people together...

dont forget, everything we talk about will be documented just like when we search the web for things we like for marketing purposes....

lets see what happens....

The ONLY thing about 2012 that WE all KNOW is that there is a ton of speculations about what MIGHT happen. There is very little CERTAINTY about what WILL happen.

Every ARGUMENT on 2012 issues are MOOT! We can all sit down and share what WE believe MIGHT happen, but we ALL, Every Single Person on face of the planet will EXPERIENCE what every other person on the planet will when that time comes.

There are signs being shown to us all with regard to what is about to happen. All YOU have to do is look in the Periphery.

You may feel sure about your statements and I appreciate your commitment but sorry, I gotta say that, everytime I see a thread containing "REAL TRUTH" in it, I have to steer away. You should have written "MY TRUTH", probably.

Thanks for this, it is a nice recap of the Ra Material and i think it is one of the more plausible with the harvest and all. No reall 'end of the world' thing but a end as we know it and only when you die. So if you die in 2050 you will still be in that period of time. We only have the urge to kick something and let loose the dogs of hell so to speak because the world outside doesn't resemble the world within anymore, it creates conflict, as we can see.

thanks you saved me the trouble of doing it .

Originally posted by Wehali
Dude, you're just copying Luciferian propaganda, that story is getting real old now.

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LOL first impression was, "Nancy Lieder, is that you?
I thought you lost all credibility with the Zeta's long ago when they forgot to tell you your IRC Channel was hacked?"

It is the self fulfilled prophecy nightmare that we will all have to suffer through.
Translation: Its all in your head!