Haha thank you.
No it is indeed a planet, very small. Do your research up on it. Im serious.
They say we can't see it now due to chemtrails, Hence why there is very little photographic evidence. Nasa even admits it and calls it by some "e" name, I don't quite remember.

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Hm... ok. I'll admit that I have discounted Niburu as nonsense because the physics didn't seem to make sense, but according to you it would be seen by most as a large asteroid as I understand it.

What about the "lukewarm" ones could you elaborate on that? Much of what you say I've heard before but this is new to me.

They will simply incarnate again on the 3rd density until the next harvest And this will continue until they are positively harvested

"For the majority of Humans on the earth who could be considered shall we say "luke warm", they will experience a period of (what will feel 'ecstatic') zero-point time, where you feel totally at One with The Creator, giving you an encouraging reminder and glimpse of who you really are, before the veil of forgetfulness once again descends upon you, and you will be transported to another 3rd Density planet (a kind of 'Earth Replica'), to continue working upon yourselves and learning that life here is all about making choices. You will remain "quarantined" incarnating in 3rd Density matter until the time of the next Harvest; in which time you will need to have proved yourselves that you have learned how to be more Positive Beings, focused more upon being of Service to others, rather than seeking only to Serve yourself. When you can do this, and the next Harvest comes, you will have earned the right to join us, and enjoy your inheritance, as a member of the Galactic Community, and you will sit with us as Brothers and Sisters of The One, around the table of our Galactic Governing Body, the Confederation of Planets."

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Yes I understood that. But obviously it is implied from what you said that the lukewarm ones are less than 51% positive/service to others, but there is also a division somewhere, where you are so evil that you will go into negative fourth density. Do you know where that line is?

And please understand, I'm not trying to nitpick at details or find out how much bad stuff I can get away with, I'm just trying to get a better understanding of what you're trying to say

I dont want to come across as harsh and dismissive, but i want to debunk the idea of us being able to know the entire truth of my/our existence.
Im not religious and i have strong views against the effects of our world's oh so precious religions. The very fact that there are so many religions will serve to strengthen my point - what do we humans know anyway?.
If every1 thinks they are right then who do we pick eh? choose to be an ultimate free thinker and devise a new explanation for what we experience as life? Religion infers the presence of a god but replace god with 'collective minds' or whatever you reffered to and, boom baby, you have just another religion.
Its not a personal digg at u Spider but i just think you shoot yourelf in the foot a little subscribing so wholey to something, whilst never uttering the possibility of truth being beyond you or any of us. If we are infact headed to a higher plane, a suggestion that im not closed to, then what makes you think we are even capable of comprehending and depicting it in our lifetimes?
Its fun and healthy to wonder, however truth is unattainable without perspective, we live and we die. Outside that we cant say much we can only watch and as you say make choices. Why argue with these people about things you have said being right or wrong, some religious, some not. All we have is opinions and our choices. We most certainly do not have an answer or hope to ever reach one.
thanks, Scottish person

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haha
love vibration

A very well thought out thread about 2012 and the lie that is referring to the messiah.

Star and Flag!

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There is no "Messiah". Stop looking outside of yourself for 'salvation'.
Is there what you might call a 'Christ Consciousness' alive, then yes, in a manner of speaking. Though not in your 3rd Density (dimensional) awareness.

ok welll.... can you prove there is no "messiah"... No cant..

Though not in your 3rd Density (dimensional) awareness.

This is based on a hypothasis...

2012 will come and pass..

You think you know the question, when infact you dont.. Hence why you are asking it..

Understand You are not a fortune teller.. No matter how much Evidence you show.. its Predicting the future..

and im sorry to say "you cant"...

You are telling me you KNOW what the reason is when infact YOU DONT...

its like trying to calculate god.. You cant becouse you dont know what god is..

have a nice day...

Very interesting post Star and flag

Just a side thought to this - If we need to be in a 'positive' state of mind to achieve this next level, could it be possible that a lot of the scaremongering that goes on is designed to lull us into a negative state of mind in our collective consciousness by TPTB to keep us from 'ascending' and thus negating any power and influence they have over us. Is that a fair possibilty or am I barking up the wrong tree?

Thanks

I wonder if this could have been predicted a few years ago or has this info just been searched on the net and compiled into one thread....

I personally believe something will happen leading to 2012 but maybe it will be staged and whatever happens, it will be good time to pull people together...

dont forget, everything we talk about will be documented just like when we search the web for things we like for marketing purposes....

lets see what happens....

The ONLY thing about 2012 that WE all KNOW is that there is a ton of speculations about what MIGHT happen. There is very little CERTAINTY about what WILL happen.

Every ARGUMENT on 2012 issues are MOOT! We can all sit down and share what WE believe MIGHT happen, but we ALL, Every Single Person on face of the planet will EXPERIENCE what every other person on the planet will when that time comes.

There are signs being shown to us all with regard to what is about to happen. All YOU have to do is look in the Periphery.

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You claim this is the "The REAL TRUTH behind 2012" and you make a reference to a passage from in a book based around 2000 years ago, when people believed the rumbles in the sky were angry Gods and sacrificing animals on specific days would make your crops grow...??!

How can anyone compare what *no one* knows about events that *may* happen 3+ years from now using a book of make-believe stories collated about 2000 years ago?

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+1

You may feel sure about your statements and I appreciate your commitment but sorry, I gotta say that, everytime I see a thread containing "REAL TRUTH" in it, I have to steer away. You should have written "MY TRUTH", probably.

It's all about the sun.
For the Mayas, the sun was like a god.
And I think dec 21 2012 has something to do with it.
We already know there will be a peak in solar activity in 2012:

Powerful Solar Storm Could Shut Down U.S. for Months

Thanks for this, it is a nice recap of the Ra Material and i think it is one of the more plausible with the harvest and all. No reall 'end of the world' thing but a end as we know it and only when you die. So if you die in 2050 you will still be in that period of time. We only have the urge to kick something and let loose the dogs of hell so to speak because the world outside doesn't resemble the world within anymore, it creates conflict, as we can see.

thanks you saved me the trouble of doing it .

LOL first impression was, "Nancy Lieder, is that you?
I thought you lost all credibility with the Zeta's long ago when they forgot to tell you your IRC Channel was hacked?"

It is the self fulfilled prophecy nightmare that we will all have to suffer through.
Translation: Its all in your head!