Originally posted by YeshuaWarrior reply to post by
04326
Muslims or Muslems, Whatever, all unsaved are going to eternal damnation no matter the spelling. Spelling error Big Deal. Have
you ever read the Holy Bible from start to finish? It explains all your questions. Yahweh is a proper name. Allah is just a generic name for an all
mighty. look up the translation yourself. Yahweh and Allah are not the same God. Muslims are decieved. Their God is not even good enough to have a
proper name. Prophets and the Messiah are completely two different things. Daniel and Elijah are prophets of the Old testiment but they are not the
Messiah. Again two different things. Prophets get words of knowledge and Gods word of the future, the Messiah is the Savior, the one in whom you must
put your faith to have relationship with God the Father and for Heaven to be yours.
The reason i pointed out the spelling mistake is that it outlines your background and hence the doctrine. Respect of any religion dictates that one
must refer to them with the proper name. I am glad that you acknowledge the correct spelling. It is an issue for me – i am sorry for putting my own
baggage on you but i would complain if people started referring to Jews and Christians in an ignorant manner.
Have you ever read the Holy Bible from start to finish? It explains all your questions.
Yes i have, i actually attended scripture classes all through school and although i do not adhere to the doctrine, i have spent many a weekends and
weeknights at church groups.
In fact, some of my oldest friends are either priests or religious teachers themselves. I however have not had the fortune of remembering the bible
(any version) word for word. It would be much appreciated if you could back up your claims by providing me the verses and their true context.
Yahweh is a proper name. Allah is just a generic name for an all mighty. look up the translation yourself. Yahweh and Allah are not the same
God. Muslims are decieved. Their God is not even good enough to have a proper name.
So if an entity does not have a name, it means that it is satanic?
I thought the Catholic Church acknowledged the fact that Yehweh and Allah were the same entity. I believe it was Pope Benedict XVI who did not
differentiate between the two.
So who’s word am i going to believe? The Pope or the Evangelical preachers like Mohler? Besides, you haven't yet given the name of the preacher
who's doctrine you are following.
And going back to the origins of the word Allah, then to clarify, in Arabic it is the same word as Elohim in Hebrew – Jewish in nature. This word is
then translated as God in the Bible. Think about it? A visual explanation would be:
Allah translates as Elohim = Elohim translates as God
Can anyone make the connection??????
Prophets and the Messiah are completely two different things. Daniel and Elijah are prophets of the Old testiment but they are not the
Messiah. Again two different things. Prophets get words of knowledge and Gods word of the future, the Messiah is the Savior, the one in whom you must
put your faith to have relationship with God the Father and for Heaven to be yours.
Please explain to me why Jesus called himself a prophet (Mt. 13:53). Peter and Luke even tells us that Jesus is the Prophet and in the same breath
says that he's the Messiah (Acts 3:22).
In order to clarify things further – and only for your benefit because you continue to assert that Muslims don’t give the said respect to Jesus
Christ. I was of the view that Muslims in a way do consider Jesus a Messiah (from the point of view of Your definition) because in order to be
considered a muslim one must have a complete faith in the fact that Jesus Christ was resurrected and will return once again in the end of days.
If a person does not believe in the above OR give Jesus Christ the a stature equal to only Mohammed – and surpassed only by God / Allah /Elohim /
Adonai / Yehweh then they are not considered to be of ‘faith’ and are damned for eternity.
So yes according to your definition, muslims in a way do consider Jesus a Messiah.
God is called Elohim and Adonai. Different titles, same deity. Prophet and Messiah, same people, different titles.
But listen, I have a feeling that you are trying to bait me to go off the original topic and the question i posed. The question being that you claim
that turning one’s bak on jews is like turning one’s back on God. But you repeatedly fail to address the fact that Jews do not recognise Jesus as
a Messiah / Prophet. Yet the Muslims give Jesus the said status.
In order to refresh your memory, i have pasted the original discussion below. Can you PLEASE answer my question as i am still confused about your
reasoning.
Originally posted by 04326 Originally posted by YeshuaWarrior reply to
post by breakingdradles
God has not taken his hand off the
Jewish people or the Jewish Nation. Read the bible, its very clear. I support Israel and its people. We have the same God. I consider the Jews my
brothers and sisters just as I do Christians. To turn your back on Israel is to turn your back on God, His word makes this very clear. ALL the end
time prophetic words are spoken about Israel and specifically Jerusalem. Reading the newspaper headlines is like reading God's prophetic word.
i know this wasn't directed at me but i thought i should point out something in your argument which will bring it down like a house of card.
You say that you support israel and its people because christians and jews share the same God. Therefore turning ones back on jews is like turning
one's back on God.
But hang on, i thought the muslims shared the same God. And they also recognised the divinity of Jesus.
This is something the jews dont.
So according to your line of argument, turning your back on the gaza population (muslims) will be like turning your back on God.
Just thought i should point it out... I am royally confused? can you pls clarify.
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