Originally posted by poet1b

This is clear, Hamas broke the truce by launching missiles into Israel, and there was no justification for these attacks. All could have been taken care of by peaceful means.[quote/]

And suffer the little children...

There are numerous Muslim states on this planet, but only one Jewish state, Israel, and the greedy Muslims refuse to grant them even this. Those who deny Israel their right to existence are not on the side of right, they are on the side of evil and arrogance, love of self above all others, along with hypocrisy.

Have you seen a map of Israel?.... How much more space do they need? They have the Palestinian people cornered and even then there are "neighborhoods", nothing more than illegal colonies in the little space they have.

The long convoluted stream of nonsense to deny Israel a right to exist, or to justify a murderous rampage in India, or blowing up a school full of children in Russia are nothing but a rant without logic or reason created by those who only care to spread war and terror for their own personal gains.

I have nothing but contempt for someone that kills in India, or blows up a school in Russia... or drops bombs on women and children in Gaza.

I'm not asking for the state of Israel to disappear as a matter of fact neither do the Palestinian people. Terrorists might but not the Palestinian people. Take a look at how the number of Israeli deaths in Palestinian terror attacks has gone down since 2000.

Israe l Ministry of Foreign Affairs

In the end people are just people, I'm shure there are Palestinian people, the majority I'm willing to bet, that just want all this violence to end. I dont blame the Jews or the Palestinians I blame their governments. Its just that in this case HAMAS happens to be Israels and the US's Frankenstein.

I apologize for misspelling and gramatical errors, its late and I dont feel like reading over everything.

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Originally posted by budski

Take a look at these maps and then tell me how you would react if you and your people were in the same situation.

Palestinian people have been terrorised by Israel for many years - there is a reason that Israel have had hundreds of UN resolutions and condemnations aginst them, just as there is a reason that the US has blocked every single one of those resolutions.

Let me ask how you would react if you were thrown out of your home and off your land, made a refugee, starved and branded a terrorist because you dared to oppose this injustice.

You cannot answer, because you have no argument other than the usual all muslims are terrorists and israel can do no wrong.

Looking at those maps of yours I have a few thoughts come to mind. First one is I find is so convenient that the land owned by a nomadic group of people fit so nicely within the borders that make up Israel. No one is contesting that the border lands divided up by the UN are also theirs, and why not? Maybe it’s because those are muslin states and the Palestine people are a group of muslins with no home, and no one would want to take land from a Muslin state and give it to them even if that land is as much as theirs as Israel is.

Originally posted by budski
reply to post by poet1b

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Oh please - perpetuating these myths does you no credit.

I have a large number of muslim friends who are perfectly happy and well integrated into our society and many aspects of our culture.

Your bias and seeming hatred of all things muslim is not only racist, it is also tiresome.

2 words Occams Razor. Look it up Mr. "Paid for by Israel to blow up their own people then start a war killing more of their own people turning the whole world aginst them"

Real smart assumption.

Originally posted by DantesLost
reply to post by crmanager

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2 words Occams Razor. Look it up Mr. "Paid for by Israel to blow up their own people then start a war killing more of their own people turning the whole world aginst them"

Real smart assumption.

Leaders attacking their own people to get what they want is an age old method.It is also a great way to get the people to support you.

Would the people of America have supported their governments invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq before 9/11?

No.

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by budski

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I am just holding a mirror up to you and those on your side of the argument. Somehow you think it is acceptable to bash all Israelis, call them crooks and brutes, but when the same attitude is applied towards Muslims, you cry racism and foul.

Israel is the only Jewish nation on the planet, and yet you would deny its existence, while there are numerous Muslim controlled nations. The constantly repeated and defeated arguments of those who want to destroy Israel play like a broken record.

Code named Operation Northwoods, the plan, which had the written approval of the Chairman and every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, called for innocent people to be shot on American streets; for boats carrying refugees fleeing Cuba to be sunk on the high seas; for a wave of violent terrorism to be launched in Washington, D.C., Miami, and elsewhere. People would be framed for bombings they did not commit; planes would be hijacked. Using phony evidence, all of it would be blamed on Castro, thus giving Lemnitzer and his cabal the excuse, as well as the public and international backing, they needed to launch their war.

they go into somewhere, throw the locals out or bully, intimidate and in some cases keep killing people until they run for their lives, and this has been going on for many, many years.

All I want is fair and proper treatment of palestinians by the Israeli government

Originally posted by DantesLost
reply to post by crmanager

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You didn't answer my question.

And,ever heard of Operation Northwoods?

The US government wanted to attack their own people and blame it on Cuba so they would have an excuse to go to war.Sound familiar?

Code named Operation Northwoods, the plan, which had the written approval of the Chairman and every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, called for innocent people to be shot on American streets; for boats carrying refugees fleeing Cuba to be sunk on the high seas; for a wave of violent terrorism to be launched in Washington, D.C., Miami, and elsewhere. People would be framed for bombings they did not commit; planes would be hijacked. Using phony evidence, all of it would be blamed on Castro, thus giving Lemnitzer and his cabal the excuse, as well as the public and international backing, they needed to launch their war.

whatreallyhappened.com...

A November 2005 PA-Israeli agreement authorized the reopening of the Rafah border crossing between the Gaza Strip and Egypt under joint PA and Egyptian control. In January 2006, the Islamic Resistance Movement, HAMAS, won control of the Palestinian Legislative Council (PLC). The international community refused to accept the HAMAS-led government because it did not recognize Israel, would not renounce violence, and refused to honor previous peace agreements between Israel and the PA. HAMAS took control of the PA government in March 2006, but President ABBAS had little success negotiating with HAMAS to present a political platform acceptable to the international community so as to lift economic sanctions on Palestinians. The PLC was unable to convene throughout most of 2006 as a result of Israel's detention of many HAMAS PLC members and Israeli-imposed travel restrictions on other PLC members. Violent clashes took place between Fatah and HAMAS supporters in the Gaza Strip in 2006 and early 2007, resulting in numerous Palestinian deaths and injuries. ABBAS and HAMAS Political Bureau Chief MISHAL in February 2007 signed the Mecca Agreement in Saudi Arabia that resulted in the formation of a Palestinian National Unity Government (NUG) headed by HAMAS member Ismail HANIYA. However, fighting continued in the Gaza Strip, and in June, HAMAS militants succeeded in a violent takeover of all military and governmental institutions in the Gaza Strip. ABBAS dismissed the NUG and through a series of Presidential decrees formed a PA government in the West Bank led by independent Salam FAYYAD. HAMAS rejected the NUG's dismissal and has called for resuming talks with Fatah, but ABBAS has ruled out negotiations until HAMAS agrees to a return of PA control over the Gaza Strip and recognizes the FAYYAD-led government. FAYYAD and his PA government initiated a series of security and economic reforms to improve conditions in the West Bank. ABBAS participated in talks with Israel's Prime Minister OLMERT and secured the release of some Palestinian prisoners and previously withheld customs revenue.