What do you think would happen if there was an ''Mortgages for White people in the UK Only'' or ''Loans For Christians Only''. Anytime we hear there is an ''White Only'' or ''Men Only'' everybody has a problem, it offends people. It would be on BBPC or Sky NEWS rght away. But if it a ''Muslim Only"" or ''Woman Only'', no body would care. I don't like that! You starting to see alot of things like this these days, and it aint to good!

And you wonder why Hitler became the person he became!!







[edit on 8-1-2009 by TSOM87]

Mortgages are available to non muslims so you don't have a point there.

What I think is perhaps a more interesting point is the remark about how we have 'muslim only' theme park days and 'muslim only' gyms.

My local gym has a given time where the pool is closed off and shutters are put across the windows so Muslim women can bath without men being able to see.

There is also a Muslim owned/run gym which is Muslim only and advertises as such - 'exclusively Muslim gym' and cites itself as being suitable for Muslim women who require heightened levels of privacy. They have a separate area for men and women. Their policy on joining is 'you must be a member of the local mosque' - which I believe owns the gym - to be able to join - hence making it effectively Muslim only.

Looks like they exploit a loophole as they use the 'must be a member of the Mosque' thing to get around overtly saying 'no non Muslims'.

Whilst I appreciate that some of the tenants of Islam might prevent Muslims from using a conventional gym, especially women - it is THIER CHOICE to be Muslims and to live in the UK where we don't generally segregate gyms etc. Thus it is my thinking that people should either conform or perhaps go and live in a nation that is more 'Muslim friendly' - like Saudi Arabia.

This might sounds strong - but think about it - they have the CHOICE - I'm not being given a choice when it comes to attending their gym (which would be much more convenient as it is the closest gym to my house).

I understand that private institutions can pick and chose members - but come one - as the OP rightly said - imagine the out cry if someone opened a 'blacks only gym' or had 'whites only hour in the pool' - this would not only be illegal, it would spark riots!

So why is it that minority groups can command such things?

BTW - I also find fault with things like 'gay night' in bars/nightclubs - I think these are discriminatory too. Gays are quite welcome to come to any club I goto - but they shouldn't be allowed to have a 'gay only night'.

Originally posted by arnold_vosloo
Clearly Sir you have a problem with Muslims!

With certain muslims fostering delusions of grandeur and thinking they are somehow more superior to other human beings and thus deserving of special privileges above everybody else,yes.

Had you done the slightest bit of research instead of relying on the BNP website....

That is just so typical - accuse someone of being a BNP member or insinuate the 'racist nazi' angle because of daring to criticise examples of religiously inspired intolerance and prejudice.

I think the BNP and certain islamic organisations operating in the UK (like the muslim brotherhood association of Britain) have far more in common than they like to think -fostering (and promoting) feelings of bigotry and prejudice being a major comparative factor.

an Islamic mortgage available to anyone from the Islamic Bank of Britain.

Thanks for clarifying that point -admittedly I should have researched further before asking the question.

What are your feelings about the rest of the links featuring
'muslim only'
gynasiums,banks,dating services,swimming pool sessions,fun parks,housing developments,prisons,radio shows,bathrooms etc..

Do you feel it is a good idea?

Also do you think condemnation would be hypocritical if the boot was on the other foot?



[edit on 02/10/08 by karl 12]

Well I think I do owe you an apology for jumping on you and making unfounded accusations. You seem to be open minded and wanting genuinely to look at both sides of the story and for that I applaud you.

Also I make spelling mistakes too

I think you would find Christian/Jewish/Hindu/men/woman/ swimming pools/houses/beaches or whatever so I don’t see a problem with Muslim only things.

Edit Spelling mistake seen instead of seem. See I do make them too

[edit on 8-1-2009 by arnold_vosloo]

There are some that claim that Muslims living in the West are given special privilege- some of the posts above reflect that. However, if one points out those special rights, one is immediately accused of being anti-Muslim or Islamophobic. It's a catch 22- give a group special rights, and if you deny them, or even point them out, you're racist.

There's a book on it called Stealth Jihad by Robert Spencer. Those inclined to read might want to check it out.

why was this moved to BTS?!? never mind, doesn't matter i suppose, it's unlikely that it's because it'll get less coverage here.

there is an interesting trend developing where muslims demand segregation in the western world due to religious views, or segregate themselves, whether it is actually racist or not is a really important question.

if i asserted that because of my political views, i do not wish people of a different ethnic group to bath at the same time as me or live near me, i would be properly assumed racist.

if i make the same claim due to religious beliefs, the assumption seems to be different. i'm not sure there are good reasons for this.

[edit on 8/1/09 by pieman]

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
There are some that claim that Muslims living in the West are given special privilege- some of the posts above reflect that.
However, if one points out those special rights, one is immediately accused of being anti-Muslim or Islamophobic.
It's a catch 22- give a group special rights, and if you deny them, or even point them out, you're racist.

I've also noticed this apparent contradiction.

It seems to me that tolerance is a two way street-a person cannot have it both ways.

Also ,how can criticising the actions of a religion be called 'racist' as faith is an opinion and not a geographical location.

I think you would find Christian/Jewish/Hindu/men/woman/ swimming pools/houses/beaches or whatever so I don’t see a problem with Muslim only things.

Are you kidding me? Do you live in the UK?

Maybe in the US - but then, I don't agree with those either - as one poster said - there should be NO special treatment for any religious/ethnic group - it can only lead to hate.

In the UK - and I have done some research into this - I have been unable to find any examples of 'hindu only' 'jewish only' - 'white', 'christian' only -

Probably because if these existed they would be promptly dealt with by the law which forbids this kind of thing.

So why is it different for Muslim people?

Why are we even talking about questions of 'bringing in Sharia law' in muslim communities? We arn't talking about bringing in Hindu law? We don't let Hindu's burn their dead on funeral pyres around cities???

So why is it different for Muslim people?

When most people make a violent protest threatening death on someone - they are prosecuted for inciting murder - threatning behaviour etc. But when muslims go on protests against 'cartoons' of all things and ask for the death of the guy who drew them - it is OK.

Why is it different for Muslims?

We do not want a society of double standards. You either abide by the rules of the society you CHOOSE to live in - or you leave. That goes for anyone regardless of religion.

So I say - if Muslim women don't like working out at my gym with my fat sweaty smelly body just a few feet away from them on a treadmill - they can stay T F at home.