Glad i could be of service Blaine.

Im no expert wizard by any means but i live in the nuts and bolts of it pretty much my entire waking existence for the most part. Sad i know, lol.

I just offer my professional opinions of what i know. Past that point its up to everyone else.

Cheers

Silver

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A Mac is not a high end computer. Neither is it Linux. It is based on Unix.

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Windows 7 is using the same drivers as Vista.

Wait, what now? I've never 'unclogged' my processes, what does that mean?

Is that right???

By all version and file checks ive done on the drivers i loaded, they are not vista. But again, i just offer what ive seen and experienced and let others decide for themselves.

Some vista drivers worked, of course had to run them in compatibility mode to install them, but had issues with them after that.

The devices that are either running native drivers or were written for Win7 ive had no probs with. The drivers that i had to run in compatibility mode or force on, were nothing but problems.

Silver

I have vista ultimate 64 running on a asus crosshair and 8 gig ram , I never had any problems with stability or any other issues with it really . Plays all the games and runs the apps I want it to fine . If it starts giving me trouble I will move to this windows 7 . But otherwise , I am happy with it.

Funny. You never heard of virtual box? All those problems solved if you have a fast enough computer to run it with, and an install disc of Vista or XP. Seems now it works. Of course, if you're that desperate to play a game, you can always dual boot.

Now, as to Windows 7 as compared to Ubuntu by me, I have to say, why??? I can get most of those effects (and the desktop cube), running on a computer that is supposedly Vista 'capable' with Ubuntu. And as to how 'capable' of running vista it is? From a graphics point of view, it sucks, it can barely play Halo and CoD2 in XP. It would be useless at Vista basic, but can outperform Windows 7 in terms of pointless effects.

Well Im already running it and I reckon it feels much faster then Vista as well as XP in most cases. The UI is much snappier, logins and startups are faster, The Superbar is easy to use and that damn copying files bug is fixed lol.

2gb RAM, 3.1ghz Core 2 CPU and 4850 GPU for those interested.

Edit: Just reading through the thread, there are a few people asking why MS decided to release another OS so soon after Vista.... The usual lifecycle for an OS is about 2 years, 95, 98, 2000, XP (2002). There was such a big gap this time because MS attempted to write "Longhorn" from scratch, this failed due to poor project managment.

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"There is nothing that a windows PC can do that a Linux distro can't do better. Nothing. Period. "

Music production. None of the big sequencers are available on Linux and there is scant other music production software. Say what you like about Windows, but this is certainly something Linux does NOT in any way have the edge on over MS.

I disagree, 99% of my PC games dont work on mac

therefore mac fails

now, if ppl coded games to work on mac, id switch over happily

i thought u couldnt run PC games on linux either? at least that is what I was told ( they could be misleading me)

and I dont mean a few PC games, i mean ALL of them

I go where PC games are

There-in lies the problem. You shouldn't have to.

I've been running Ubuntu on my other machine for, well, years now... never had to do a single bit of maintenance on it. It still runs like a dream. So I decided to dual boot my new computer with Ubuntu + XP.

Ubuntu outperforms XP as if XP were a crippled child in a race against Jaguars hopped up on speed.


I don't have to clean, scan, defrag... anything. It just works.
I don't have to pay for anything.
I don't have to restart when I install programs.
I can change anything I want on it... though, I have yet to find a need to.


Meanwhile, my XP partition seems to need upkeep just about every week to keep it up to it's original speed... not to mention the security suites I had to install.

I heard Vista had an improved security suite, and was more efficient with it's CPU cycles than XP. So I installed it.
I wish I hadn't. My machine makes Vista's requirements look like a 7 foot tall man staring down at a 3 foot sign reading "you must be this tall to ride".

Even so, talk about waiting... I could have been more productive finding the nearest wildlife reserve and picking knits out of a monkeys fur.

Secure?! What the heck, by the time I had connected to the net long enough to do a scan with housecall, over 15 infections had already managed to get on board.
And efficient? Yeah right. If you want to cut off the legs, an arm, and all but one finger from the crippled child I mentioned earlier, and have him drag himself by his remaining finger in that race against the Jaguars on speed... that might be an adequate description of it's efficiency.


Again,
Ubuntu : Jaguar on speed.
XP : Crippled child.
Vista : Oh forget it, go find some Knits to pick off a monkey.

Microsoft might be surprised to know, that while I own legitimate copies of Windows 98, Windows Millenium, Windows XP home, and Windows Vista, I have chosen to run a pirate version of windows XP as my O/S. That's right, I'm using a resource friendly chopjob O/S rather than the one I paid for. I'm sure a lot are in the same boat as me, hopefully if microsoft knew that, it would give them a bit better direction about how to craft their next O/S, and not simply something slightly less annoying than Vista.

However



As long as you're just using your computer to browse the internet, then you're a lucky (if small) demographic. Microsoft have us over the gaming barrel. Be it World of Warcraft or some other type of gaming crack. Linux either cannot play games, or it is too much hassle to configure Wine to work properly for the average user. The net result is that we are still suckling from the microsoft teat, until the gaming industry recognizes Linux as a platform to release games for, or until Linux gets a more user friendly way to get games working on their distros.

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Please don't tell me you went to SWAN Tafe (over here in WA if you didn't) because if you did... I feel soooo sorry for you, and it might explain why you hate Vista so much. Tafe lecturers in WA especially and most specifically in IT, were as useless as tits on a bull - I worked in IT for 6 years setting up all the student/staff machines, and all they did was whinge whinge whinge at us because THEY couldn't run what they were teaching.

If you didn't then.. The biggest problem I found with vista was the learning curve was as much a leap as going from windows 98 to XP. I did notice that there appeared to be a hell of a lot of ubuntu style implementations, during install anyway..

I think I'll try W7 only to see what it will be like, but I don't see myself staying there. Can't say much about it unless I do give it a go.

I "aquired" a build of Windows 7 last month, installed it. It was pretty much identical to vista, only real difference was DX 11 IE 8 and WMP 12, it booted faster and seemed for responsive, i did notice my system rating went down to 3.4, under vista it is 5.8, having said that i think it now goes up to 7.

You need to read the thread, or something.......

It will be available for M$ partners to test. NOT for public joe teatowell to get. Although some will by other means, obviously.



Who wants to test IE8. I use Firefox. IE is just a trojan waiting for someone to wake it up!!!!11

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My system is similar to yours, and I'm running Vista Home Premium 64-bit. It runs great. The sorry fact is that you almost have to have a system like this to run Vista effectively.

I frequent a board called HardForum, and there's a few people there who have been beta testing Win7, and I've read that it's pretty good. I'll wait a couple months after retail release and see how it is then before I think about getting it. But if it's as good as I'm hearing, I'll probably get it.

Vista wasnt half bad in its beta either, no where near as nicely running as this beta. Then Marketing got ahold of it and bloated it up to a virtual hog of an os...

Hopefully that wont happen with Win7. I thoroughly enjoy it much much more than vista.

Thank goodness hardware prices have fallen to the floor so the masses can afford the beast needed to run vista or its foothold would not be so prevalent. Which now means youve got a monster of a rig to run a nice streamlined OS.

Now for all the Ubuntu and Mac runners. It would be very nice to be able to switch OS architectures at a whim but since the majority of the business work world and a big chunk of the PC Gaming world is entrenched in Microsoft platforms, we must suffer our demise as a majority. This makes our suffering next to nil and a very enjoyable experience in its place. That being said, i do use kubuntu recreationally since ive screwed around with linux distros for years. I also used a mac and did some technical training on them for a year or so at my previous employment

I sometimes wonder why we wanna hate M$ or Bill Gates. Are we jealous of his success? Are we PO'ed that our options are fed to us unfinished and buggy and we have to pay the price to R&D their stuff at the expense of our sanity?? Or is it the non-confirmist in us that wants to not wanna go with the masses and do "our own thing" ???

Mine is more the non-conformist thing and the r&d thing. i remember the days of everything working like it should. Not patchin it to hell in hopes it "might" fix it.

Silver

LOL Kryties! Well said my man!

I wouldn't trust Winblows 7. I may be a bit paranoid but I reckon it will be full of backdoors that can be exploited by government spook organizations! Gates has never had the best interests of the people in mind so why should we believe it's any different now? He just produces pigs that are successively obese, thus forcing us to by another PC to prop up his mates at Intel and sadly AMD (my faves ).

XP still rocks and I have NO need whatsoever to change. In fact, on my other PC in the sound studio, I run Win98 as it's so goddamn fast in comparison to anything after it and I have zero problems with stability in VST & DX audio environments.

IRM

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Linux + creative productivity = FAIL.

Ive used linux since it was impossible to install (1996 Slackware) and although most posts are right in that it is a damn customizable and once you get it how you like it it just stays like that. Those are good/great things but when it comes to actually getting something done Im usually rebooting to a windows partition (XP or Win2k, same thing doesnt matter). I need 3dsmax, Photoshop, Premiere, Reason and although linux might have some alternatives (ive only tried blender and the gimp and theyre poor poor substitutes for the real thing) they suck compared to the professional tools.

I say that the guy that really knows what hes doing gets by with as little complexity/confusion as possible. If linux works for you then so be it but dont forget windows 95 and a 1st gen pentium is still fine for basic email/word processing.

Peace and remember whatever you use pirate that bastard and stick it to the man.

The Don