Please Read- Modern video gaming. morals, desensitisation to negativity, page 3
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reply posted on 8-1-2009 @ 09:11 PM by Kratos1220
First off, there are loads and loads of video games that have no violence in them whatsoever that are, were or always will be great games.

Zelda, Mario, Tony Hawk Pro Skater, Katamari Damacy, Tetris, Crash Bandicoot, some sports games, driving games (Gran Turismo, Burnout) and many others I'm forgetting.

The thing is violence is in just about everything. Cable TV, movies, music, sports, wrestling, video games and other things. Not only that, but our history is full of instances where this country uses violence and war to solve problems with other countries just like many people do to solve problems with other people. This, to me, is bigger than any of the others. It seems we need to go to war at least once a decade. The content in sports, movies, TV, video games and music are a reflection of what we have become through things like the frequent wars and the glorification of the violence therein and parents not being parents and teaching their kids the difference between fantasy in things like video games and reality.

Look closer at sports like football and hockey. Purely violent sports, no doubt about it. When someone is laid out on the football field, the one that put the hit on goes nuts and shows off to the crowd while many of his teammates come over and congratulate him. You'll no doubt see this hit replayed several times, then you'll see it more on sportscenter on the "Jacked Up" segment of football shows dedicated to nothing but brutal hits. When someone is rammed into the boards in hockey, the crowd goes wild and even more so if a fight breaks out. Yet, somehow, most fans of hockey and football know that they can't go down to the ice skating rink and shoulder check people into the boards and they know they can't go to restaurants and lay out the server and chefs if they screw up their order and if you don't know that, that's a problem in your head and has nothing to do with sports, video games or whatever else you do.

Face it, this country is fascinated with violence and like sex, violence sells. The product meets the market. To say that video games causes people to be violent sounds ridiculous to me. I don't play games as much as I used to, but most of the ones I enjoy have some degree of violence in them and I am about as anti-violent as they get when it comes to reality. If anything, violent games is a consequence free release where you can kill people or go driving at over 150mph and wreck other cars without worrying about being chased by cops and if you are chased by cops, you can run them off the road too with zero consequences. That's the beauty of video games; no consequences, but once you put the controller down, you snap back into reality where consequences of going to jail or even getting yourself killed are very real.

Fortunately, I was taught right from wrong and that things like movies and video games are just that, movies and video games; fantasy, not reality. When the line between the two is blurred, that's when you can have some problems.

[edit on 8-1-2009 by Kratos1220]


reply posted on 11-1-2009 @ 11:53 AM by predisposed
reply to post by Anonymous ATS



GUys let me just elaborate please. I am specifically referring to the game content provider and host service STEAM. anyone who has this, search for a new game and you will see over 80-90% of the main titles. are 3rd person shoot em ups.

ofcourse i know tehre are non violent games. i is not a dumbo bum


reply posted on 11-1-2009 @ 11:56 AM by predisposed
reply to post by NoHopeForSome



yea i have fallout three, one of the great things about fallout three is the karma facility. you know it judges you on your actions. By the way i am currently the most evil on fallout cos i rob kill and steal and kill innocents. and no i dont do any of these in real life.

HOWEVER, why am i so ready to break all my moral code if it is so deeply ingrained on a video game, the choices i make are to steal, kill innocents. Those are concious choices to do wrong, this is the issue. Any comments?

IF you are easily able to break your moral code for something as trivial a game, do you really give a f about the code, or do you just do it cos you have to. and there are reprecussions?

thoughts people. perhaps some intelligent addition to the board. not that some havent been insightful so far, but all those saying omg omg its just a game get over it, are on too superficial a thought level to contribute to the musings.

peace.


reply posted on 11-1-2009 @ 12:46 PM by predisposed
reply to post by Ant4AU



my friend if you study energetics or have read the post from hidden hand. then you will know, first hand, or second, that any thought or visual gives of an energy, anywhere on the spectrum. WHAT i am trying to say is that THERE IS an energetic consequence to bad actiosn carried out on a video game, however in my opinion to a lesser degree.

think about it. to those woh can see auras, study someone who is planting a tree, or killing someone on a video game, you will see a notable difference. as oppsoed to love, hate, in simple terms is being projected.

believe it.

but still i can agree it can be a usefull out let for strees and negativity, i have a punch bag and hit the crap out of it if i get stressed, never do that to a real person. and it helps. a lot.

later


reply posted on 11-1-2009 @ 09:33 PM by Ant4AU
reply to post by predisposed



So the fact that we think of robbing and killing in a video game sends out negative energy. While we are doing the robbing and killing in the video game we are relieving our stress. So wouldn’t their be some positive energy in there somewhere. You know from feeling better because your stress level is dropping. So I believe if anything you put out more positive energy than the negative.

feel the positive energy.


reply posted on 11-1-2009 @ 10:10 PM by predisposed
reply to post by Ant4AU



lol.

yes thats a good way to look at it.

but could the same effect be achieved via vigourous excercise.

thanks for all ur feed back guys and guyettes


reply posted on 11-1-2009 @ 10:25 PM by Ant4AU
reply to post by predisposed



Yes exercise is a great way to relieve your stress but you know how it is. You have that one guy who has been a total prick you just wish you could take his head off his shoulders. You have a punching bag to picture his face on. I just turn on GTA and take out every dude with that color shirt on. LOL same stress relieved and good energy obtained.


reply posted on 12-1-2009 @ 08:18 AM by predisposed
reply to post by Ant4AU



lol. yea i have a punchbag. when ppl aggravate me i mash it up. it works wonders. i think actually what is more important is to learn not to generate the negative energy in the first place.

for example most reactions are learnt. a favorite example of mine is the football supporter. all his reactions are fake, copied and learnt.

you choose to support a team. say man city, and when they win you learn to be happy from this event which actually has no effect on you except taht which you choose to perpetuate.

When they loose, you get pissed off go and get drunk and perhaps be an abusive thug like many football supporters. not all.

so this negative energy is not necessary, except it is necessary to keep your emotional attachment to the team. the more pissed off you are when your team loses, the more elation when they win. hence your addiction to footy continues.

what about when someone shouts at you? have you ever shouted or seen someone shout at someone and them just get the giggles and laugh. well all of this negativity is also copied and to a certain extent unnecessary. i tend not to get angry, or sad, unless me serotonin levels have been dropped chemically and so i dont use games to relieve stress, i dont have any negative energy in the first place

i do agree with you guys saying that to relieve stress and negativity games can be a safe fun way to do it. for me, wihtout the initial negativity i would say i am creating it unneccesarily, but damn its fun.

and in the words of ill bill "im evil cos its easier." and that it is, it is initially harder to be a good service to others being, but much more rewarding in the end. who wants to be saying "(insert name) I am your father" in 10 years time?


reply posted on 12-1-2009 @ 10:29 AM by Phatcat
Originally posted by predisposed
reply to
post by NoHopeForSome



yea i have fallout three, one of the great things about fallout three is the karma facility. you know it judges you on your actions. By the way i am currently the most evil on fallout cos i rob kill and steal and kill innocents. and no i dont do any of these in real life.


soooo.. you make a thread berating every gamer about how much negative karma they would (allegedly) be generating, and then say you have a choice wether or not to be good and you made the conscious decision to be evil ?

I also have Fallout 3 and allways strive to be good btw.. a bit of a carebear, I know..

HOWEVER, why am i so ready to break all my moral code if it is so deeply ingrained on a video game, the choices i make are to steal, kill innocents. Those are concious choices to do wrong, this is the issue. Any comments?


suggestion: maybe because deep down, you understand it is an illusion, and will not interfere with the real world in any way ?

Because you understand that this negative approach in the real world would really generate a lot of conflict and strife, while keeping it in the safe enviroment of a game makes sure you do not land in jail or the nuthouse?

IF you are easily able to break your moral code for something as trivial a game, do you really give a f about the code, or do you just do it cos you have to. and there are reprecussions?


As for me, I adhere to my own code which is at least as strict as any manmade laws which basically boils down to a hypocratic oath for use outside of medicine.. do no harm to others, either through words or actions. Ingame though, I will not get upset because I ran down a pedestrian while evading a police chase..

thoughts people. perhaps some intelligent addition to the board. not that some havent been insightful so far, but all those saying omg omg its just a game get over it, are on too superficial a thought level to contribute to the musings.

peace.


So in other words, contributions are only welcome if they follow your path of thinking, any posts putting things in perspective is somehow beneath your illuminated way of thinking ?

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