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reply posted on 8-1-2009 @ 07:00 PM by SFwife

Originally posted by wx4caster
reply to post by SFwife

E-7 at 9 years??? wow

9 1/2 to be correct

reply posted on 8-1-2009 @ 07:05 PM by wx4caster

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that is impressive... lol i am E-5 right at 8. up for E-6 this year...

reply posted on 8-1-2009 @ 07:06 PM by SFwife

Originally posted by wx4caster
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that is impressive... lol i am E-5 right at 8. up for E-6 this year...

Good luck !!!

reply posted on 8-1-2009 @ 07:16 PM by desertdreamer

Originally posted by SFwife
Maybe I over looked it but what was this womans MOS ?
Mostly likely she would never have to leave the FOB

You know, I don't recall seeing what her MOS was....

reply posted on 8-1-2009 @ 07:31 PM by Wertdagf

just wait till the economy collapses and your only choices are to join the millitary or stave to death... its all part of the plan.

reply posted on 8-1-2009 @ 07:31 PM by fleabit

You sign a lot of things when you join, including things that say what will happen to you if you go AWOL. Of course, when you join, if you are young, you don't read a word of it. You just got into basic training, and they throw paperwork at you to sign, with drill sergeants yelling at you. So most do not read the fine print. I remember there being probably I dunno.. two dozen or more things I signed, and it would probably would have taken a couple weeks to really go over, and you have probably 30 minutes to sign them all.

But you joined the ARMY. You know.. the Armed Forces. Honestly, what did she expect?

And how much danger is she really in? Not nearly as much as you probably think. She is not a grunt, she is not near the front lines. There are a LOT of commercial companies with a lot of employees over there all the time, for extended periods, doing construction project and so on, probably in more open and dangerous situations than our own ARMED soldiers are in. They are safer than many others.

The employees where I work would rather go there, than to Africa to be honest. It's worse there. Heck, 3 of our people got mugged by 3 guys on the beach wielding machetes, took everything they had, were fearing for their lives.

But regardless, it's tours of duty. That's what you DO in the Army. How many do you get? As many as they want you to go on. 1 year tours rarely get to take their family (to any country), and they know this up front.

Personally I hope she can stay in Canada, but if they do not allow her to, and she has to come back to the states, I can't feel too sorry for her. Lots of people in the Army have families and are separated for long periods of time.

reply posted on 8-1-2009 @ 08:38 PM by Anonymous ATS

Yes she joined but, the oath she took says to support the constitution,protect the U.S. against all enemies foreign and domestic. This war was based on lies and fought for bankers and big business. Therefore the govt. has violated their end of this contract.
She also has a right to refuse orders that are illegal.

ex navy

reply posted on 8-1-2009 @ 09:28 PM by wayno

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As I said in an earlier post, it's the US Army! They are issuing rifles for a freakin' reason and that's to shoot the enemy in the face.

So what makes anyone in Iraq your enemy?
Think about it. Just cuz Bush said so?
I think the woman being sent back to the U.S. thought about it good and she came up with the right answer.

reply posted on 8-1-2009 @ 09:29 PM by desertdreamer

Originally posted by Wertdagf
just wait till the economy collapses and your only choices are to join the millitary or stave to death... its all part of the plan.

Huh??

reply posted on 8-1-2009 @ 09:33 PM by SFwife

Originally posted by wayno
reply to post by jerico65

As I said in an earlier post, it's the US Army! They are issuing rifles for a freakin' reason and that's to shoot the enemy in the face.

So what makes anyone in Iraq your enemy?
Think about it. Just cuz Bush said so?
I think the woman being sent back to the U.S. thought about it good and she came up with the right answer.

My husband is pretty sure that ppl in Iraq want to kill him
he would know now wouldn't he

reply posted on 8-1-2009 @ 09:34 PM by GorehoundLarry

You sign up to be a police officer to serve and protect. You know the risks involved. You sign up to be a soldier to do the same. You also know the risks.

What this woman did was something a coward would do. Good job babycakes, you signed up to the military and avoided war. Las time I checked, you volunteered for it?

Ugh.

reply posted on 8-1-2009 @ 09:35 PM by CharlesMartel

Originally posted by desertdreamer

US soldier avoiding Iraq ordered to leave Canada

www.lasvegassun.com

The first woman soldier to flee the U.S. military for Canada to avoid the Iraq war said Wednesday that Canadian authorities have ordered that she be deported this month along with her husband and their children.

Kimberly Rivera said her requests to stay on humanitarian and compassionate grounds were rejected. The family must leave Canada by Jan. 27 unless the order is reversed.

Rivera, a private first class in the Army based at Fort Carson, Colo., served in Iraq in 2006 and came to Canada the following year after she was ordered to serve another tour there. She could be court-martialed when she returns to the U.S. and could face up to five years in prison.

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I would view this case differently, if she were not a first term soldier being sent on a second tour of duty in a war zone.

Who is to blame that a first term soldier gets to go to war twice?
The President and the military leadership are partially to blame, but they have to manage deployments with the resources available to them.

Congress is chiefly responsible for problem. They control the size of the military, which directly affects how many people are available to deploy anywhere.

Bush 41 and Bill Clinton are responsible for drooling over an imaginary "peace dividend" and going along with reducing the military after the Cold War and Gulf War I.

reply posted on 8-1-2009 @ 09:41 PM by jerico65

Originally posted by wayno
So what makes anyone in Iraq your enemy?
Think about it. Just cuz Bush said so?

Nah, I think all that AAA that was being shot at my aircraft was a big hint that someone in Iraq was my enemy.

You know, just saying.

reply posted on 8-1-2009 @ 09:44 PM by mystiq

Originally posted by mystiq

Originally posted by Cynic
Many here in Canada, including myself, believe she must be returned to face whatever fate she has made for herself. Follow the link below to todays' story in the Globe and Mail, and read the comments attached to it. While unfortunate, the fact that she is female and now has a Canadian born infant is of no consequence IMHO

She must get the boot, now.

www.theglobeandmail.com...

I would offer her sanctuary in my home and charge anyone who showed up with treason because so far, I don't like what they're doing in my country. I don't stand for heartless crap. Wanting to live and be free from militia is not a crime, but is a very important signal that she is growing up, evolving and waking up.

I repeat this and suggest everyone walk away from all the cartel's arena games, and withdraw support from everything connected to them. Its time to get a real world of peace going, and it takes courage, dignity and always doing the right thing. War and service to renegades is dishonorable.

reply posted on 8-1-2009 @ 09:53 PM by wayno

reply to post by SFwife

My husband is pretty sure that ppl in Iraq want to kill him
he would know now wouldn't he

Now, I wonder why that would be?
If forces of a foreign country invaded, now where is it that you live? Kentucky? would you welcome them with open arms as they bombed the hell out of your neighborhood, and killed hundreds of people you knew?
No. I don't think so. I think you would be every bit as upset as your average Iraqui citizen.
If your husband wasn't there they wouldn't hate him. No big surprise.
I wholly respect that your husband feels he is somehow doing his duty, but he has been fooled by your government into doing something that has absolutely nothing to do with your freedom.
He is being taken advantage and used as a disposable quantity for the benefit of higher ups only and has nothing to do with the safety of you or your family. You are upset with completely the wrong party.

reply posted on 8-1-2009 @ 09:57 PM by desertdreamer

Originally posted by jerico65

Originally posted by wayno
So what makes anyone in Iraq your enemy?
Think about it. Just cuz Bush said so?

Nah, I think all that AAA that was being shot at my aircraft was a big hint that someone in Iraq was my enemy.

You know, just saying.

AAA.....is that all

Just Kidding, I am sure it was very harrowing.

reply posted on 8-1-2009 @ 10:02 PM by wayno

reply to post by jerico65

same answer as above. if you weren't there you wouldn't get shot at.
you had no business being there in the first place
as I said to wife above, if some foreign country was shooting up where you lived for no good reason you also would defend yourselves.
don't know why you guys can't see that?
I do not blame any of you who have found yourselves involved in this. Not everyone has the balls to actually question what their government tells them to do.
I believe that it took an enormous amount of courage for that woman to actually say no to Uncle Sam when he was dead wrong.

reply posted on 8-1-2009 @ 10:10 PM by jerico65

Originally posted by wayno
I believe that it took an enormous amount of courage for that woman to actually say no to Uncle Sam when he was dead wrong.

Well, she can reflect on her courage when she's in a military prison, missing her kids birthdays and trying to explain what "breach of contract" means.

reply posted on 8-1-2009 @ 10:19 PM by SFwife

so many ppl on this thread are LOST and mis guided
I suggest a trip to the middle east

Might wake ya up a little